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How others see our players - the absolute values are never going to be 'correct' as that can only be determined y the market.

What might be of interest is the order in which players are valued - Wanyama sticks out like a sore thumb in this if his knees are as bad as rumoured.

Anyway, an interesting list

Harry Kane
H. Kane
Centre-Forward
Harry KaneJul 28, 1993 (26)£135.00m
23
Christian Eriksen
C. Eriksen
Attacking Midfield
Christian EriksenFeb 14, 1992 (27)£90.00m
20
Dele Alli
Dele Alli
Attacking Midfield
Dele AlliApr 11, 1996 (23)£81.00m
7Heung-min SonJul 8, 1992 (27)£72.00m
28Tanguy NdombéléDec 28, 1996 (22)£58.50m
6Davinson SánchezJun 12, 1996 (23)£49.50m
18Giovani Lo CelsoApr 9, 1996 (23)£45.00m
4Toby AlderweireldMar 2, 1989 (30)£36.00m
27Lucas MouraAug 13, 1992 (27)£36.00m
15
Eric Dier
Eric Dier
Defensive Midfield
Eric DierJan 15, 1994 (25)£36.00m
19Ryan SessegnonMay 18, 2000 (19)£31.50m
5Jan VertonghenApr 24, 1987 (32)£25.20m
1Hugo LlorisDec 26, 1986 (32)£22.50m
17
Moussa Sissoko
M. Sissoko
Central Midfield
Moussa SissokoAug 16, 1989 (30)£22.50m
3Danny RoseJul 2, 1990 (29)£22.50m
33Ben DaviesApr 24, 1993 (26)£22.50m
8
Harry Winks
H. Winks
Central Midfield
Harry WinksFeb 2, 1996 (23)£22.50m
12
Victor Wanyama
V. Wanyama
Defensive Midfield
Victor WanyamaJun 25, 1991 (28)£18.00m
11
Erik Lamela
E. Lamela
Right Winger
Erik LamelaMar 4, 1992 (27)£16.20m
24Serge AurierDec 24, 1992 (26)£16.20m
21
Juan Foyth
J. Foyth

Centre-Back
Juan FoythJan 12, 1998 (21)£13.50m
29
Oliver Skipp
O. Skipp
Defensive Midfield
Oliver SkippSep 16, 2000 (18)£4.50m
16Kyle Walker-PetersApr 13, 1997 (22)£3.15m
22Paulo GazzanigaJan 2, 1992 (27)£1.5m
 
Not an obvious place for this, so putting it in the Squad thread :


For all Spurs alleged shortcomings in maintaining a good squad, its pleasing to note that FIFA have 3 Spurs players (Kane, Son and Eriksen) listed amongst the 55 best players in the world.

Obviously pleased for each of them - but having 3 of the 55 best players in the world (as judged by FIFA) in Spurs squad shows that Spurs are doing something right.

And it suggests that other good players will be happy to join Spurs so as to play with other top players (maybe one of the reasons that Ndomebele and LO Celso joined), and reinforces the belief that we have a good core of players in the squad to build round. Might help of course if Eriksen signed another contract with us but plenty of time for that now the TW's in major European countries have closed.

City: 9
Dippers: 7
United: 2
Chavs: 1
Scum: 0
 
Effectively there to get the same job done though....

But that's like asking Dele to drop back into Dembeles role and asking him to do the same job. Yes he can try but he won't be as effective

We need to buy a specialist DM to replace what we lost in Dembele
 
But that's like asking Dele to drop back into Dembeles role and asking him to do the same job. Yes he can try but he won't be as effective

We need to buy a specialist DM to replace what we lost in Dembele

Dembele's role was to bring the ball out from the back and get it to Eriksen & Alli. Dembele's ability to skip past players meant that those marking Eriksen and Alli had to drop off their man to close down Dembele after he left their pressing midfielder behind him.

If that is not what we brought Ndombele for I'd be very surprised. Clearly Eriksen/Lo Celso are there to provide the creativity behind the attack and Winks/Dier/Sissoko to win the ball back.
 
Dembele's role was to bring the ball out from the back and get it to Eriksen & Alli. Dembele's ability to skip past players meant that those marking Eriksen and Alli had to drop off their man to close down Dembele after he left their pressing midfielder behind him.

If that is not what we brought Ndombele for I'd be very surprised. Clearly Eriksen/Lo Celso are there to provide the creativity behind the attack and Winks/Dier/Sissoko to win the ball back.

Yes but Dembele had thd brilliant ability to win the ball, he pressed hard, and without the ball he always took up the right positions to protect the back 4. We really miss him at his peak. What a footballer
 
But that's like asking Dele to drop back into Dembeles role and asking him to do the same job. Yes he can try but he won't be as effective

We need to buy a specialist DM to replace what we lost in Dembele

Dembele was a #8 / box to box not a pure DM....
 
I know, my point is that he was superb defensively. I'm not sure defensively Ndombele is at the same level
He isn't. At least not right now. Any Lyon fan will tell you that defensive contributions were not his forté. He was almost always partnered with a more defensive partner in a double pivot. Most notably Lucas Tousart.
 
I know, my point is that he was superb defensively. I'm not sure defensively Ndombele is at the same level

Dele at MKDons was being played as DM/CM. Poch turned him into playing as an AM

Rose tended to be a LW at Leeds but when he first joined Spurs played as a CM . Was only when about 19 that he first played as a LB before going to Sunderland and playing as LB for a season and following that has almost always played as LB (although as a sub Poch has brought him on as a CM !).

Point I am making is that a coach's job is to see a players potential and develop him - not to accept someone playing in a certain position or way and not make changes.

Ndombele at age 22 is not the finished article and Poch clearly thinks he can be moulded into a Dembele replacement with added skills.

When Poch first arrived Dembele was not a regular starter - Mason and Bentaleb were the preferred CM2 with Dembele either played as RW or off the bench. Poch coached Dembele into the role you clearly remember him as but even in the first season he did that Dembele was not a consistent hit. And even in Dembeles great season of 16/17 whilst he was sensational at being able to carry the ball and break the lines, he was poor at giving a pass to AMs or striker who often needed to drop deep to get the ball from Dembele.

Ndombele already is far better than Dembeke at the final pass but not yet as accomplished as Dembele was at breaking the lines - but already he's not too bad. Clearly the plan is to coach and develop him into becoming a top class Dembele replacement ( but not a true DM)
 
Obviously, I would like Spurs to win stuff, but in all honesty I don't think it massively effects how much I love being a Spurs fan and enjoy going matches. I haven't got any experience of Spurs winning the league and I am pretty sure that would feel amazing.

I can't say that I remember when Spurs were shit, because I always think we are a good team. Just like I nearly always think we are going to win any match we are about to play. Which is quite a good place to because:
We win - I enjoy the match
We lose - we are going to win the next match anyway
We draw - we deserved to win.

I am easily pleased and that suits me fine. I must admit I was completely gutted when we didn't win the CL. That was really upsetting for the obvious reasons but also because I intensely dislike the bin dipping , arrogant , muggy, talk like girls, probably eat ketchup sandwiches for breakfast, inbred, full of shite, kid killing, divy scousers.
 
We need a proper DM. We cannot continue with Winks and another. The centre midfield is a mess

I'm not sure Poch sees it that way.

Poch has now been here for about 5 years and has influenced a number of things including who is recruited into the Academy. Marsh ( now on loan at Orient) is the only "proper" DM we have and I suspect the oldest age group who were being recruited as Poch joined Spurs.

All the younger age groups have DMs who can play football with good level of passing etc - the best if those players are Jamie Bowden and Harvey White who were both included in the ore season squad this year and both might even play from the bench in the domestic cups either this season or next, they are both great prospects.

But that also suggests to me that Poch doesn't see pure DMs being necessary - he wants players who have good defensive skills but they must also be able to pass.

Winks was a traditional no ,,8 in the youth set up who Poch has coached and played as more of a 6/8 player, partly due to Wanyama and Dier not being available but partly I think that was always his plan.

And the rationale is that when Spurs play sides that park the bus the more players who can pass the ball in the side the better, and a DM without that skill will not be involved in the game that much.

So I think we will see the Ndombele/Winks partnership as being Pochs preferred CM2 with appearances by players like Lo Celso and Dele and Sissoko as rotation. Sure we will probably see Dier there but only because he is in the squad so Poch will use him whether as a DM, CB or RB, even if he's not Pochs preferred profile of player.

So I don't think we will buy s DM in the next 12 months.
 
I'm not sure Poch sees it that way.

Poch has now been here for about 5 years and has influenced a number of things including who is recruited into the Academy. Marsh ( now on loan at Orient) is the only "proper" DM we have and I suspect the oldest age group who were being recruited as Poch joined Spurs.

All the younger age groups have DMs who can play football with good level of passing etc - the best if those players are Jamie Bowden and Harvey White who were both included in the ore season squad this year and both might even play from the bench in the domestic cups either this season or next, they are both great prospects.

But that also suggests to me that Poch doesn't see pure DMs being necessary - he wants players who have good defensive skills but they must also be able to pass.

Winks was a traditional no ,,8 in the youth set up who Poch has coached and played as more of a 6/8 player, partly due to Wanyama and Dier not being available but partly I think that was always his plan.

And the rationale is that when Spurs play sides that park the bus the more players who can pass the ball in the side the better, and a DM without that skill will not be involved in the game that much.

So I think we will see the Ndombele/Winks partnership as being Pochs preferred CM2 with appearances by players like Lo Celso and Dele and Sissoko as rotation. Sure we will probably see Dier there but only because he is in the squad so Poch will use him whether as a DM, CB or RB, even if he's not Pochs preferred profile of player.

So I don't think we will buy s DM in the next 12 months.

If that's the plan then we will continue to struggle imo. The defence is too exposed to attacks, you can have 60-70 % possession but as we've seen in the PL every team has the ability to create openings and we will continue to concede, putting more pressure on the forwards to come up with 2 or 3 goals to win games. I don't even remember the last time we kept a clean sheet

Poch needs to get back to the formula that worked for him and his teams
 
I'm not sure Poch sees it that way.

Poch has now been here for about 5 years and has influenced a number of things including who is recruited into the Academy. Marsh ( now on loan at Orient) is the only "proper" DM we have and I suspect the oldest age group who were being recruited as Poch joined Spurs.

All the younger age groups have DMs who can play football with good level of passing etc - the best if those players are Jamie Bowden and Harvey White who were both included in the ore season squad this year and both might even play from the bench in the domestic cups either this season or next, they are both great prospects.

But that also suggests to me that Poch doesn't see pure DMs being necessary - he wants players who have good defensive skills but they must also be able to pass.

Winks was a traditional no ,,8 in the youth set up who Poch has coached and played as more of a 6/8 player, partly due to Wanyama and Dier not being available but partly I think that was always his plan.

And the rationale is that when Spurs play sides that park the bus the more players who can pass the ball in the side the better, and a DM without that skill will not be involved in the game that much.

So I think we will see the Ndombele/Winks partnership as being Pochs preferred CM2 with appearances by players like Lo Celso and Dele and Sissoko as rotation. Sure we will probably see Dier there but only because he is in the squad so Poch will use him whether as a DM, CB or RB, even if he's not Pochs preferred profile of player.

So I don't think we will buy s DM in the next 12 months.


You may well be right but his purchase of Wanyama and us playing the best football during his tenure and having our highest finish for 50 odd years, you'd think this might suggest Poch should know the value of a more specialist 6 type. I'm all for finding one (from our academy or externally) that can also play football, all the best 6's do, but we do really need to "add" one - because the none of the players Poch is using currently can really do it properly. Would love to see Skipp given the chance. But fear he won't get the chance under Poch.

Also, with reference to what you said about Alli at MK only playing CM, I actually watched him play as an ACM for MK after we'd bought him. Pretty sure he played as an AM/ACM on other occasions too.
 
7th most expensive squad to assemble all whilst we built and opened the worlds most expensive club side stadium:

Transfer expenditure to assemble current squads:
€ million

1: 1014 Manchester City FC

2: 751 Manchester United FC

3: 639 Liverpool FC

4: 561 Chelsea FC

5: 498 Woolwich FC

6: 486 Everton FC

7: 465 Tottenham Hotspur FC

8: 312 Leicester City FC



I've always said we should be happy with how we do being the 6th biggest club but with Everton outspending us in fees and I think they might just be outspending us on wages as well, it's even more of an achievement that we, in theory shouldn't even be Europa League based on the other 6.

Excellent return for the money invested really but it's now time to kick on.
 
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