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100% right. We are in a different position to the Fergie days at United though. He had one real rival each season, the rest of the league have 4-5 to contend with even if City and Liverpool are ahead at the moment."You let some go at the top and bottom and keep replacing them and hope to get a championship team."
That's the key bit. If you're operating at or around the highest level.
We never beat City in his first season.Poch needs to win the Liverpool game. I am 50/50 over whether he will. The players bailed him out against Woolwich, but aside from that our form is dismal. He does tend to magic something up when the shit hits the fan. I still remember him winning against City in his first season. Otherwise it is looking like head-turned Harry all over again.
What has Pochettino ever said or done that gives the impression his heads been turned? We lose a couple of games and all of a sudden everything's doom and gloom I don't understand it. 3rd withna depleted squad all season, no home, no signings to freshen up and the manager Ian under the cosh even though he's constantly said about the project and what ideally he'd like to achieve with the club.Poch needs to win the Liverpool game. I am 50/50 over whether he will. The players bailed him out against Woolwich, but aside from that our form is dismal. He does tend to magic something up when the shit hits the fan. I still remember him winning against City in his first season. Otherwise it is looking like head-turned Harry all over again.
No, meant second season. Felt his job was on the line after losing to Woolwich in the League Cup. Certainly on the verge of lost support from fans.We never beat City in his first season.
Unless you mean Chelsea when we absolutely smashed them 5-3. Which was incredible considering.
Yeah I remember that - people were relatively upset that we weakened our team for a NLD but it was soon forgotten when we smashed City.No, meant second season. Felt his job was on the line after losing to Woolwich in the League Cup. Certainly on the verge of lost support from fans.
Firstly, he said we were title contenders before Burnley, then said top 4 was our limit after losing three games and drawing one. Very Harry-esque after England manager talk.What has Pochettino ever said or done that gives the impression his heads been turned? We lose a couple of games and all of a sudden everything's doom and gloom I don't understand it. 3rd withna depleted squad all season, no home, no signings to freshen up and the manager Ian under the cosh even though he's constantly said about the project and what ideally he'd like to achieve with the club.
We all know reports take things said out of context, is not seen anything to suggest he isn't just cracking on with his job and committed, as the 5 year deal he signed in the summer would suggest
Firstly, we were in a title race up until that Burnley game, not because we have title winning quality from top to bottom in the squad but because we were literally 2 points off the top of the table if we had won that game.Firstly, he said we were title contenders before Burnley, then said top 4 was our limit after losing three games and drawing one. Very Harry-esque after England manager talk.
Secondly, this is his worst form since being at the club, and on top of that this is the first time we are destined to a worse second half of the season under him. Again, it was unlike Harry.
As in, we literally cannot improve or finish stronger than the first half even if we win every remaining game. So those are two things that indicate strange behaviour not commonly aligned with the same manager who got us into the top 4.
If he took over the club now, and we were in relegation form, would he persist with a diamond in midfield and no holding midfielder? Would he continue to lose to mid table teams after 70 minutes? He would shut up shop and press well.
You do realise if he keeps losing we will be playing Europa League and he won't be fulfilling his contract or the project. Not even a bottom half manager survives 4 or 5 losses and a draw.
I gave you a like just for typing out that short novel.....The FA Official Guff: It's a straight copy and past from a PDF so when pasted here there is no paragraphs created but I'm buggered if I'm going to go through it and do it.
TDLR:- They were going to give him a 3 match ban but reduced it to two because of Poch's prior conduct and public appology.
IN THE MATTER OF A FOOTBALL ASSOCIATION INDEPENDENT REGULATORY COMMISSION BETWEEN: THE FO 2 1. These are the written reasons for a decision made by an Independent Regulatory Commission (“the Commission”) which sat by WebEx on 4th March 2019. 2. The Commission members were Mr. Simon Parry, (Chairman, and Independent Legal Panel Member), Mr. Alan Knight M.B.E. (Independent Football Panel Member) and Mr. Tony Agana (Independent Football Panel Member). 3. Mr. Paddy McCormack the F.A. Regulatory Commissions & Appeals Manager, acted as Secretary to the Commission. 4. The relevant incidents took place in the Premier League fixture between Burnley F.C. and Tottenham Hotspur F.C. on Saturday 23rd February 2019. 5. By letter dated 25th February 2019 the FA charged Mauricio Pochettino (“MP”) with two breaches of FA Rule E3, alleging that a) his language and/or behaviour on the field of play at the end of the fixture amounted to improper conduct and b) his language and/or behaviour in or around the tunnel area at the end of the fixture amounted to improper conduct. 6. Due to the repetitive nature of MP’s behaviour, the FA designated the case as a NonStandard case. 7. The FA relied upon the following evidence: a) The Report of the Match Referee, Mr. M. Dean, dated 24th February 2019; b) The Report of the Assistant Referee, Mr. D. Robathan, dated 25th February 2019; c) The Report of the Assistant Referee, Mr. I. Hussin, dated 25th February 2019; and d) A video clip of the incident. 8. By written reply dated 28th February 2019 MP admitted the charge and submitted a letter of the same date in mitigation and a transcript of his pre-match press conference held on 26th February in advance of the Chelsea F.C. v Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 3 fixture. We noted also the observations of the Football Secretary of Tottenham Hotspur F.C., Mrs. Jennifer Urquhart, in her covering letter dated 28th February 2019 which outlined MP’s deep regret, heartfelt apologies and excellent disciplinary record. 9. The following is a summary of the principal submissions provided to the Commission. It does not purport to contain reference to all the points made, however the absence in these reasons of any particular point or submission should not imply that the Commission did not take such point or submission into account when the members determined the matter. For the avoidance of doubt, the Commission carefully considered all the evidence and materials provided to it. 10. As a Non-Standard case, the Commission enjoys a discretion to impose such penalty as it considers appropriate. We nevertheless had regard to the Standard Penalties imposed for breaches of Rule E3. For completeness, the Standard Penalties are as follows: (i) Standard Penalty 1:- Charge admitted and Standard Penalty accepted: 1 match touchline ban when including abusive/insulting language (nil sporting sanction when excluding abusive/insulting language) and a £8,000 fine; or (ii) Standard Penalty 2:- Charge denied and subsequently found proved by a Regulatory Commission: 2 match touchline ban when including abusive/insulting language (nil sporting sanction when excluding abusive/insulting language) and a £12,000 fine. 11. The relevant part of the Match Referee’s report states “At the conclusion of the game I was approached on the field of play by the Tottenham Hotspur head coach Mauricio Pochettino and some members of his coaching staff including First team coach Jesus Perez. Mr Pochettino acted in a very irresponsible and aggresive (sic) manner. He wouldn’t stop saying “you know what you are, you know what you are”. I asked him to explain and he repeated “you know what you are”. I then said on numerous 4 occasions to go away at least 10 times and he wouldn’t get out of my personnel (sic) space and then aggresively (sic) pointed his finger just a few inches from my face again saying “you know what you are”. Mr. Pochettino then left me alone and left the field of play. When I reached the tunnel he was waiting at the top of the stairs again saying “you know what you are” and had to be escorted to the dressing room by security staff from Burnley.” 12. There is little to add from the Reports of the Assistant Referees, save that they both corroborate the account of Mr. Dean. 13. The relevant part of MP’s response highlighted that he was frustrated at some of the decisions during the match but that was in no way an excuse for the way in which he behaved by approaching Mr. Dean in the heat of the moment. He admitted he had made a mistake and offered a sincere apology to Mr. Dean. Furthermore, he noted that he had immediately acknowledged the inappropriateness of his behaviour in his post-match interviews and took the opportunity to proffer those apologies subsequently in his pre-match interview prior to the Chelsea fixture. He commented that his previous record is exemplary and his reaction was “incredibly out of character”. 14. In the transcript of the pre-match interview, referred to above, MP stated “…I need to apologise to Mike Dean…I cannot behave in that way. Of course I want to apologise to Mike Dean, all the referees who were involved there. I think it’s not a way to behave and of course I’m going to accept the charge from the FA”. He continued with those apologies throughout the course of the interview. 15. It was confirmed to the Commission that MP has no previous E3 offences recorded against him, which is a substantial mitigating feature. 16. The Commission had the benefit of watching the footage of MP’s behaviour. The footage spoke for itself. This was persistent display of unacceptable and disrespectful 5 behaviour from MP. Whilst the words used are not the worst, the choice of phrase “you know what you are” was used in an on-field outburst, following the conclusion of the game, that lasted for 40 seconds during which MP was, at times, very close to Mr. Dean and face-to-face. MP failed to heed numerous warnings, that we could see on the footage, from Mr. Dean to go away. MP’s position is then aggravated by the fact of the second charge, which involved him waiting for Mr. Dean in the tunnel area to resume his unacceptable comments. The Commission finds as a fact that MP did this quite deliberately. 17. The Commission took the view that the sanction in this case, albeit that there are two charges, can be dealt with as one. We do, however, have to increase our starting point to reflect the fact of the second incident in or around the tunnel. We also regarded the persistence within the first incident itself as an aggravating feature, together with the fact that this incident will have been witnessed by millions of viewers around the world over the course of that weekend. Such behaviour, at the elite level of English football, tarnishes the image of the game. Whatever decisions, and indeed whatever mistakes, may be made during a match, match officials are entitled to be treated professionally and with respect. They are not “fair game” for a frustrated manager, or player, to vent their frustrations at. 18. It seems to this Commission that the very public nature of this case means that we should take this opportunity to remind all participants of their obligations and the real importance of those obligations. Since 2008 the FA has invested considerable time and resources into the Respect campaign. The behaviour of managers and players in our professional leagues, but in particular the Premier League, is observed by millions who regard those managers and players as role models. Sadly, it means that all too often participants involved in the grassroots game, where match officials are in an even more vulnerable position than their professional colleagues, will replicate the 6 behaviours of those they see at the highest level. That is why incidents of this nature at the highest level will be taken seriously by Regulatory Commissions. 19. Those features of MP’s conduct outlined above warranted the case being designated Non-Standard as they aggravate his position. In particular, with regards to sporting sanction we noted the distinction in “Standard” cases between the inclusion and exclusion of abusive/insulting language by a participant. As this was Non-Standard we agreed there was no pre-requisite that there must be some element of abusive/insulting language present in the reported behaviour before a Commission may impose a sporting sanction. For example, a participant may carry out an aggressive or violent act, absent of abusive/insulting language, which clearly warrants a sporting sanction. In this instance, taking into account the repetitive and aggressive nature of the reported behaviour, along with the specific facts of the case, the Commission was satisfied that a sporting sanction should be imposed. We noted the Standard Penalty 2 (including abusive/insulting language i.e. 2 match touchline ban and a £12,000 fine) and reflect those aggravating features in reaching a starting point of a three match touchline suspension and a fine of £16,000. We consider that MP’s previous exemplary record, admission and apology entitles us to reduce the sanction to one of a two match touchline suspension. The Commission was particularly impressed at the fact that MP did have the courage to make his apology in a very public manner and accordingly, in our judgment, some additional credit can be given to reduce the fine to one of £10,000. Sanction 20. For the reasons outlined above the Commission imposed the following sanctions: - (i) Mauricio Pochettino is immediately suspended from the touchline until such time as Tottenham Hotspur F.C. have completed two (2) first team competitive matches 7 in approved competitions and he shall be fined the sum of £10,000; 21. The decision is subject to any appeal as provided by the Regulations. Mr. Simon Parry (Chairman) Mr. Alan Knight M.B.E. Mr. Tony Agana 6 th March 2019
Without wanting to sound niggly but we was never in a title race in all honestly yes we was third all good stuff etc, but as we all know if the league was a four team league then spurs would finish sixth.Firstly, we were in a title race up until that Burnley game, not because we have title winning quality from top to bottom in the squad but because we were literally 2 points off the top of the table if we had won that game.
Secondly, anyone can see that we have a competitive top 4 squad but to disregard a Man United team that has the likes of Rashford, De Gea, Pogba, Lukaku, Martial, the fact Chelsea have the kind of funds where they can nearly double our transfer record and Woolwich are 15 years ahead of us with their infrastructure meaning they can play more in wages and sign more expensive players can't be overlooked.
We've hit a bad spell, granted but we've played 2 London derbies and 2 relegation scraps, 3 of the 4 away from home. Yes it been a really shit spell of results but we can't turn on the gaffer or the team because of it. We clearly are and have been over achieving when you consider we have a net spend on average of roughly £8m per season for the last 11 years.
You say about persisting with the diamond but Pochettino this whole season has been without Dier, Wanyama and Dembele. He's had to make the most of, realistically his 4th and 5th choice midfielders should all be with and still with us.
I completely understand why he said we are at our level. We finished 3rd last season and didn't sign a single player and we are still 3rd so Poch saying how it is I don't have an issue with that. We were in a title race, we lost, we've constantly for 3-4 seasons stayed just shy of winning so him saying this is our level is just facing facts until we get some movement elsewhere going.
We've had a few reckless results yes but the team and the club needs to be applauded for doing so with no home, no real pre-season etc and nonnew faces for so long. Poch needs time and the backing to recycle it all again if he wants to. He's made us a solid team and is building our reputation which can only bode well for the future. Fingers crossed we do all we need to get that top 4 slot again for another go at it next year
Mate we were 2 points off of the top with nearly a quarter of the season left to go. It was reliant on us having excellent form before the end of the season and the other 2 fading but we had a good chance. Yes we were always bit outsiders but points wise we were in it until we fell away.Without wanting to sound niggly but we was never in a title race in all honestly yes we was third all good stuff etc, but as we all know if the league was a four team league then spurs would finish sixth.
We can't keep making excuses for having to play london derbies because whisper it quietly other london teams also play those derbies, as for injuries all teams get them its part of the game.
Not signing player's wasn't a great idea as the team needed freshening up which we have all evindenced for ourselves with player's out of form and a team performing at itsi poorest since poch arrived with strange and shit formations along with tactical changes.
Too early to even be thinking on these lines, IMO. At this moment in time, we need stability, swapping managers every few months (that's how it felt) didn’t help, so hope Poch is with us for a long time.Eventually Poch will leave us for pastures new. Who should replace him? I really like the Wolves manager, his side has played some lively football that woudl suit us. I also think Ryan Mason will one day be our manager and be fantastic.
I don't see finishing third or fourth as failure far from it because I have mentioned before that finishing third is the summit of our ambition as a club.Mate we were 2 points off of the top with nearly a quarter of the season left to go. It was reliant on us having excellent form before the end of the season and the other 2 fading but we had a good chance. Yes we were always bit outsiders but points wise we were in it until we fell away.
I didn't except of think we would win it but if it's in the back of your minds like it was all of us we were in it I don't care what anyone says. We were reliant on many things but we had an outside chance of things dropping how we needed to that's all I know.
It's also not about the excuse of London derbies but the last 4 games haven't been easy ones, every team has had something to play for and our form dipped meaning we became pretty disjointed. It depends on how you look at it. Some see 3rd or 4th as a failure, I see it as a success seeing as we not only have the 6th biggest bank balance to work with but we have to balance a huge build with that money as well making us closer to the likes of Bournemouth with our funds than the likes of Woolwich. As a fanbase we should lose sight of that and end to change our mentality from coming up short to 1st place to constantly take steps in the right direction for the future. We can't keep reeling out this 'typical Spurs' mentality it doesn't do the club any favours