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The Selection

In terms of Pochettino this was pretty much the side we all expected, with the exception of maybe Davies/Rose. I thought he may go for Rose’s pace to help combat United’s likely counter threat.


The Structure

Again, no surprises here, we started in the 4312/41212 diamond. When Sissoko was replaced by Lamela, we maintained that format with Lamela going to the tip of the diamond and Alli dropped back to the left side 8 role. Then at half time we changed to a 4231, with Eriksen and Winks as the CM2. A more subtle alteration of application was that Poch appeared to instruct Davies to be a bit more circumspect about getting forward, and he seemed to stay tucked in nearer to Vertonghen which was prudent, as post match Pogba spoke about how Solskjar had identified these channels - between/behind that gap our pushed on FB’s leave vacant as areas - that can be exploited.


The Game

They’d clearly set up to counter with Martial and Rashford occupying those inside channels and appeared to be playing a matching 4312, and it took us 10-15 minutes to truly settle, and in that early phase both teams had their moments, the game was a bit to open, both teams showing some defensive vulnerability, with us making that old error of playing the high line and not pressing very well, and Utd looking like they weren’t entirely sure how to reign in some of that Solskjaer bounce and be efficiently pragmatic.

But gradually it was us who got to grips with the game better, and from about 20 minutes onwards we pretty much bossed it, seemed to have their counter covered and managed to play through their midfield, getting into several very good situations that we just couldn’t turn into chances.

To that ends, their goal was a bit of a sucker punch. Yes, it was a very careless ball by Trippier but they were a long way from danger when it happened. The perfect shit storm of an outstanding pass by Pogba, Rashford showing way more composure than he usually shows, some sluggish defending by a ring rusty Vertonghen and one of those low shots that often seems to dribble past Lloris, combined to kick us firmly in the nuts.

The second half Pochettino switched things around, going 4231, with Eriksen and Winks as the CM2, with the excellent Winks, throughout much of it, holding the midfield together on his own as Eriksen marauded forwards to supplement the attack.

No coincidence for me that we vastly improved without Sissoko on the pitch. We now had “footballers” in all positions interacting. And interact they did. The fact that we looked no more vulnerable with a midfield two of Eriksen and Winks, as opposed to the three with Sissoko there as well speaks volumes.

Winks was probably the stand out performer today, not just for some of the more incisive football he played in forward areas, but defensively he is clearly learning game by game with regular football, his positioning and tracking was good, and nobody tackled (5) or intercepted (3) more.

The second half was football’s version of water boarding, utter torture. So many times where we thought “this is it”, so many times salvation seemed inevitable, only for that fleeting optimism to be doused in cold water, with us left choking and spluttering in disbelief. How we didn’t score in this half is anyone’s guess. I don’t think I’ve seen anything quite like it. We took them apart, playing with real tempo and urgency, played some really good football, and despite them pretty much parking a bus, carved United open so many times, creating absolute guilt edged chances, and although you could be slightly critical of a couple of the finishes (Alli’s and Kane’s when put through right side particularly) generally it was just a case of unbelievable bad luck and decent keeping. If we’d actually miss hit a couple they might have bobbled in, took a deflection, gone through the keepers legs etc, but we kept hitting them true and finding De Gea in outstanding form, making some great reflex saves.

You cannot criticise the effort, work rate and pure bollocks of this team, they never lay down, they threw everything at it, completely and utterly dominated the game, played at a great tempo, carved Utd open many times and hit the target with most of those chances, sometimes the gods of football just give you the finger.

I actually alluded to this a couple of weeks ago after the Bournemouth game, when we seemed to bang in five goals almost by accident. This was the footballing ying to that yang.

You could also say it was payback for the Utd away game when were were abysmal, but somehow came away with a 3-0 win.

As all football fans know, there are few greater tortures than the purgatory of losing a game you've utterly dominated and created enough great chances to win three times over.


Individual

Lloris - Goal seemed a bit soft to me and it’s not the first time he’s been beaten like this. Did make one great save.

Trippier - He did put in a couple of great balls, and was very involved, as ever in the build up, and also did help save a great chance that broke for Pogba second half, but was a poor give away that led to their goal and before that had shanked a pass rather clumsily.

Alderweireld - Good game.

Vertonghen - Looked really match rusty on their goal and never got close to putting any pressure on Rashford. Apart from that, generally OK.

Davies - OK.

Sissoko - took him 20 minutes or so to get into this game, got caught ball watching for one of their early chances, but was just getting going when he got injured.

Winks - Excellent game today. Much improved without the ball but also driving forward and playing a couple of incisive passes (like the one playing Trippier in behind). Doing all this and completing 98% of his passes too. Very impressive. MOTM

Eriksen - Another who took a while to get find his rhythm, but was very good from about 20 minutes onwards, absolutely superb second half.

Alli - He started off, much like the Cheslea game, trying to many silly flicks and tricks before the game was ready for it, but like others, grew into this game and was bloody good for the last hour or so. Should have done better when clean through, but I was impressed how he actually burst through and kept going, raw pace not always his thing.

Son - He was lively enough, and it’s probably a shame that none of the great clean-throughs fell to him, as he’s been in great form of late and he’s usually good at those.

Kane - Worked his nuts off but just wasn’t happening for him. Couple of times wanted a touch too many, couple of times just unlucky but he really put in a shift.

Lamela - Decent enough game.
 
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Eriksen was out of this world in the 2nd half. He's MOTM for me, though Winks was also good.

Hard to be too harsh on Jan and Hugo on the goal. It was two pieces of brilliance from Pogba and Rashford.
 
Even though I've been underwhelmed seeing him on the team sheet, got to give it to Winks today. Looked for the ball at every opportunity and the most influential player on the pitch.
Best performance of the season from him.
 
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Yeah, Winks MOTM for me.

98% pass completion with a lot of them intending to go forward.
5 tackles
2 interceptions

I'd love to see his heat map too because he was all over the pitch. I know there was an interview earlier in the season about him needing to take it easy on his ankle but my god he must be one of the fittest at the club. He's played a whole load of football and he's still capable of getting all over the pitch.

Nice to see him make runs beyond the opponents defence today on more than once occasion. Shame about his overall finishing but it's nice that he's atleast attempting shots.

Second half we were good but very wasteful. Was very encouraged by some of the play I saw though, was inventive at times and there was some real good one touch play around a tightly packed defence which gives hope that we can create chances against the dross who sit back against us.

Thought we were poor defensively. I was worried every time Man Utd attacked in all honesty. Vertonghen was evidently rushed back, positionally all over the shop and the slowest I've ever seen him. Alderweireld however was fantastic, he's really back to his best.

Shame about the Sissoko and Kane injuries. I don't think either had particularly good games but Kane is our top goalscorer and Sissoko has been a useful addition to an injury hit midfield.

Onwards and upwards.
 
Winks was just outstanding .... my MoM all day long, the lad certainly does his job well.

Don't think Hugo had a chance on the goal, excellent finish which no keeper's is getting to, well maybe somehow DeGea with his telescopic legs ...

"No coincidence for me that we vastly improved without Sissoko on the pitch. We now had “footballers” in all positions interacting. The fact that we looked no more vulnerable with a midfield two of Eriksen and Winks, as opposed to the three with Sissoko there as well speaks volumes"

Clever way of criticising Sissoko even when he's off injured, you even wrote 'We turned the heat up to max, played some really good football, and despite them pretty much parking a bus' thus even you recognising that it was Utd's tactics to park-the-bus, as much as the Sissoko injury, that changed the flow of the game.

Why not write "for the first game since October we failed to find the back of the net, it was also the first time that for 70 minutes we've not benefited from the disruptive influence of Sissoko upsetting the opponents defensive structure" that's just as valid a comment, and just as meaningless, agenda much Blakey?

If Sissoko had stayed on he'd probably have scored a 30 yard net ripper, of course we will never know

Apart from your usual Sissoko dig, it wouldn't be a Blakey review without one, pretty much agree with the rest, nine times out of ten we win that game, just a shame this was the tenth.
 
Winks was just outstanding .... my MoM all day long, the lad certainly does his job well.

Don't think Hugo had a chance on the goal, excellent finish which no keeper's is getting to, well maybe somehow DeGea with his telescopic legs ...

"No coincidence for me that we vastly improved without Sissoko on the pitch. We now had “footballers” in all positions interacting. The fact that we looked no more vulnerable with a midfield two of Eriksen and Winks, as opposed to the three with Sissoko there as well speaks volumes"

Clever way of criticising Sissoko even when he's off injured, you even wrote 'We turned the heat up to max, played some really good football, and despite them pretty much parking a bus' thus even you recognising that it was Utd's tactics to park-the-bus, as much as the Sissoko injury, that changed the flow of the game.

Why not write "for the first game since October we failed to find the back of the net, it was also the first time that for 70 minutes we've not benefited from the disruptive influence of Sissoko upsetting the opponents defensive structure" that's just as valid a comment, and just as meaningless, agenda much Blakey?

If Sissoko had stayed on he'd probably have scored a 30 yard net ripper, of course we will never know

Apart from your usual Sissoko dig, it wouldn't be a Blakey review without one, pretty much agree with the rest, nine times out of ten we win that game, just a shame this was the tenth.


But that wouldn't be the truth would it, even through Sissoko shaped goggles it was plain to see how good we were that second half without him on the pitch. how much better we did things, moved the ball, created, and players that are all of a better technical level. Utd's plan was pragmatic from the get go. We had 60% possession first half, 62% second half.

He's by a country mile the weakest link in this team right now. Creates next to nothing, tackles no more than Eriksen or Son, and as Ive demonstrated in his thread, he presses even less than Eriksen and Winks.
 
Would have been interesting to see how the game panned out with Sissoko on though.

Like the Barcelona game, Poch may have decided to take off our right back and put Sissoko in a wing back role so we can get an extra body in there to try and help change the game even more without sacrificing a midfielder (Winks in this instance).
 
But that wouldn't be the truth would it, even through Sissoko shaped goggles it was plain to see how good we were that second half without him on the pitch. how much better we did things, moved the ball, created, and players that are all of a better technical level. Utd's plan was pragmatic from the get go. We had 60% possession first half, 62% second half.

He's by a country mile the weakest link in this team right now. Creates next to nothing, tackles no more than Eriksen or Son, and as Ive demonstrated in his thread, he presses even less than Eriksen and Winks.

Hey BC - can you, for once, get past your first sentence without mentioning Sissoko? Like a New Years resolution? You’re correct, we were better without him, but your appraisals of games would be so much better without the constant battering.

Cheers.
 
I thought Sissoko looked good while he was out there.

He's a totally different player the last couple of months. All he needs to do is make simple passes and not give the ball away and he's a very useful player,
 
But that wouldn't be the truth would it, even through Sissoko shaped goggles it was plain to see how good we were that second half without him on the pitch. how much better we did things, moved the ball, created, and players that are all of a better technical level. Utd's plan was pragmatic from the get go. We had 60% possession first half, 62% second half.

He's by a country mile the weakest link in this team right now. Creates next to nothing, tackles no more than Eriksen or Son, and as Ive demonstrated in his thread, he presses even less than Eriksen and Winks.

Yet every time in the last three months that he's played we've scored at least once ... the first time he goes off injured we don't ... pure coincidence?

All you've demonstrated is bias ... you say "how much better we did things, moved the ball, created" and you have a valid point, we were pushing Utd back and we did create more .. but also note that Utd had 5 shots on target in the second half as opposed to just 3 in the first half, so did we defend worse? our passing success rate was lower in the second half than the it was in the first, just how is that moving the ball so much better?

All very tongue-in-cheek but in fact statistically we didn't move the ball better, or defend better, or score more goals in the second half than we did in the first. Fact is during the second half we just bumped heads with a very organised, and very lucky Utd defence, plus a goalkeeper having the game of his life. What would we have given for a few out of control attacking forays from the beast during that second half? How many times this season has Sissoko leading the charge confused the defence (and himself) but led to a goal?

There's no denying we looked much better in the second half than in the first, the question is would we have looked even better with Sissoko still on the pitch? not even the all knowing Blakey can answer that one ....
 
the question is would we have looked even better with Sissoko still on the pitch? not even the all knowing Blakey can answer that one ....

1307 minutes played.
1 assist (11th in our team)
0.6 key passes ave (12th in our team)
x/g Assisted 0.13 ave


(Lamela, the player who replaced him, in 613 minutes (less than half of Sissoko's) has 2 assists and a key pass ave of 0.9.)

(Eriksen, the player who shuffled into his position, in similar minutes, has 4 goals, 7 assists, a key pass ave of 1.8, x/g assisted 0.2)

Blakey can answer that one. And the answer is, every piece of available evidence screams a resounding...NO.
 
So Bus Conductor. Glad to see you are carrying on in the tradition. You were a joke on the previous site you were on due to your Trippier is so much better than Walker, and your Sisoko and Dier guff that you constantly came out with, at least the natives here have called you out for the laughing stock you are.

So let's do a little comparison between a player you hate and a player you wank over.
One (Sissoko has played 1307 minutes in PL this season, Player x has played 1059)

Averages per 90 mins
Sissoko 0.6 key passes Player x 0.2 You are criticizing Sissoko above for this number
Sissoko 1 assist Player x 0 Again see criticism above, this is not anomly for player x
Sissoko 1,2 tackles Player x 0.8
Sissoko 0.9 clearances Player x 0.6
Sissoko 0.4 dribbled past Player x 0.6
Sissoko 0.4 shots Player x 0.3
Sissoko 1,2 dribbles Player x 0.6

Sissoko and player x equal on interceptions, fouls committed

Both average 45 passes per game, Sissoko gets 86.4% successful (so 39/45)
player x does get 92,1% (so 41/45)

So for 2 more successful passes a match, but significantly weaker in both attack and defence you think one is great and one is dogshit.

Don't give up your day job, because unlike what you believe you will never make it in football management.






Player x is Winks by the way (who actually did have one of his better days for us on Sunday)
 
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So Bus Conductor. Glad to see you are carrying on in the tradition. You were a joke on the previous site you were on due to your Trippier is so much better than Walker, and your Sisoko and Dier guff that you constantly came out with, at least the natives here have called you out for the laughing stock you are.

So let's do a little comparison between a player you hate and a player you wank over.
One (Sissoko has played 1307 minutes in PL this season, Player x has played 1059)

Averages per 90 mins
Sissoko 0.6 key passes Player x 0.2 You are criticizing Sissoko above for this number
Sissoko 1 assist Player x 0 Again see criticism above, this is not anomly for player x
Sissoko 1,2 tackles Player x 0.8
Sissoko 0.9 clearances Player x 0.6
Sissoko 0.4 dribble past Player x 0.6
Sissoko 0.4 shots Player x 0.3
Sissoko 1,2 dribbles Player x 0.6

Sissoko and player x equal on interceptions, fouls committed

Both average 45 passes per game, Sissoko gets 86.4% successful (so 39/45)
player x does get 92,1% (so 41/45)

So for 2 more successful passes a match, but significantly weaker in both attack and defence you think one is great and one is dogshit.

Don't give up your day job, because unlike what you believe you will never make it in football management.






Player x is Winks by the way (who actually did have one of his better days for us on Sunday)


OK. Lets deal with your silly bollocks in order.

I never said Trippier was so much better than Walker defensively, just offensively - which he is - by a fucking mile (go check the Trippier thread if you want to read the numbers - I posted them a day ago) and the way we play that counts for something. That is what Ive always said and stand by.

The fact that we've been playing better - or at least as well - with Winks as we were with Dier, when Winks a) isn't and never has been a DM and b) has only started about 20 games pretty much qualifies what Ive always said about Dier.

The stats above were an answer to someone claiming we'd be more likely to have scored with Sissoko on the pitch.

As far as your comparison stats with Winks, you are comparing a 22yo kid playing - out of position - as a 6 - with a 29yo player with 380 senior appearances (not including internationals). Winks is job is to link the defence with Eriksen/Sissoko and it's their job to progress/transition the ball. All of us acknowledge he's got defensive learning to do, but most of us, me included have said we don't think he's ultimately good enough to play that role. But his defensive numbers are only a fraction behind Sissoko's anyway. He actually presses the ball better and progresses the ball the same, despite being the DM in our current set up. Here you go, a bit more date for you to suck on:

You guys think I have some kind of irrational dislike of Sissoko. I don't. I just know he's not a very good footballer, and his contribution is not good enough, and it certainly isn't as good as you guys like to portray.

You guys (and some others) say stuff like "he breaks up play" or "he was outstanding" but you can't quality what you are saying with anything substantive.

I just don't buy into your "narrative". I don't think he's actually doing things you claim, and he's certainly not doing anything to a high standard.

To back my opinion up, here is some performance data put together by football analysts Statsbomb:



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Now here's one for Eriksen

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Here's Winks:

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I keep hearing about how great Sissoko is at breaking up play, but he really isn't.

Ive posted before raw tackle and intercept data that shows how poor Sissoko's bare output actually is. There are 11 players in our squad that average more tackles, and a further 2 (Eriksen and Son FFS) who average the same. There are 14 players in our squad that average more interceptions per game.

But that's very raw numbers and I accept they don't tell the whole story. If you look at the data above, that analyse every "event" in every game in more detail and check the defensive aspects - Pressure/Pressure regains/Pressure Adjusted Tackles and Padj Interceptions - you'll see just how fucking poor Sissoko's defensive contribution actually is.

He's pressuring/pressing much less than Eriksen (hardly a tenacious stalwart) and Winks (a player continually criticised for his defensive game).

So if he's not great defensively, there's going to be a massive offensive payoff right? ...............Wrong

As we all know he completes a couple of dribbles a game. The data confirm this. But they amount to very little productivity. He has one assist all season. KWP in one game managed 3. In less than half the minutes Lamela has 2. Even Aurier's got 2. And Sissoko's even played as an AM for some of that time.

His key pass average (0.7) is the 12th best in our squad. Only our Goalies, DM's and CB's have worse key pass ratios.

If you compare him to Eriksen, the player playing the left sided role in our CM3 (1+2) system, Eriksen rarely dribbles, but sees more of the ball, and also creates a shit load more 7 assists, 4 goals and ave 1.6 key passes.

But look at the Statsbomb data too which delves deeper (measuring quality as well as pure quantity - XG), the quality of his chance creation works out at just over a tenth (0.12) of a chance per game, and even the pre-pre-asists Sissoko's stats are piss poor, almost on par with Winks, who's been playing as the holding midfielder.

This is his remit. He's playing as an "8". He's bringing virtually nothing offensively.

So BangkokSpud BangkokSpud - breathtaking, stunning, astounding, astonishing - he definitely, unequivocally is not.

He's doing really basic, routine stuff, not defending particularly well, certainly not exceptionally, creating hardly anything, not even much in pre build up (only a fraction more than Winks our holder). But a couple of times a game he'll charge up field and everyone will go oooooh "Majestic".

Here's what "really good" looks like from a right side CM paying the same CM3 remit as Sissoko:

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I have never "wanked" over Winks, in fact I've repeatedly said that I don't think he's ultimately going to be top drawer as a 6 or as an 8.

The fact that some of Sissoko's (with his 360 games and 7 years of experience advantage) stats are even worse than Winks, and the rest are only marginally better, when Winks stats aren't very impressive doesn't actually make Sissoko great, you realise that right?
 
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