Manchester City v Tottenham Hotspur

[pipes]

Wow Pardew could win the league, what a squad they have.

Obviously I exaggerated for effect, but Pardew would very possibly win the league if given the job. He’d come very close if not.

 

[Tomo]

Obviously I exaggerated for effect, but Pardew would very possibly win the league if given the job. He’d come very close if not.

With the City squad yes probably.

 

[Glass Half Full]

Maybe deserves its own thread? "Which Managers are so Crap They Wouldn't Win The League Even at Citeh"?

I'll start.

David Moyes

 

[Totti]

Maybe Kyle Walker is just the best footballer in the world?

I mean, we don't look anywhere near as good without him in our team this season and he's basically the only outfield player that City didn't have last year Everyone else who plays consistently in the City team was there last season.

You'd almost think it's strange that it can take a year for a team to get used to a managers methods.

 

[Fidel Castro]

This.
So many people wanking themselves into a frenzy about bloody Guardiola. Nobody is saying he’s toilet as a manager, but there only a select few managers in the world who have the luxury of limitless funding. When the playing field is so uneven, it is little wonder that a good manager can suddenly be portrayed as some kind of God like figure.
He’s a fucking ingratious slap head with his snidey “Harry Kane team” jibes. Would love to see him shot off his perch.

It's in everybody's interest to big him up . The media have a product to sell globally ( fuck the fans) and critism will devalue the Premier.
They don't give a shit if it's a one horse race for the next decade. As long as everyone has their cut then there all laughing.

 

[The Dane]

Well it worked for Pellegrini and Mancini..They both won the league after Man City got all their oil money or is that just coincidence?

Yes, but not in the same manner, not nearly as convincingly. Pep has turned the prem into la liga

 

[The Dane]

Not really. It’s a fair question.
Do you think that Burnley would be top of the league, having won all but one game, simply by putting Guardiola in charge?
All aboard the Guardiola hype train.
The bloke has bought heavily everywhere he has been.
He has never had to build a competitive team on a budget.
He should have won the league last year with what he spent.

No he shouldn't, last year was his first season. Of course he should be given time, he's the best manager in the world

 

[Tomo]

No he shouldn't, last year was his first season. Of course he should be given time, he's the best manager in the world

Yeh but he had by far the best squad, Conte won it in his first season, it’s shouldn’t be beyond the worlds best manager.

 

[Boltonspur]

Yeh but he had by far the best squad, Conte won it in his first season, it’s should be beyond the worlds best manager.

Nail. Head. Conte won it in his first season. With a lesser squad than City. Now The Dane can you slowly remove your tongue from Pep’s arsehole.
It’s all a bit cringey.

 

[Airfixx]

Back in around 2008, the football writer Simon Kuper wrote the following:

“The fact is that players’ salaries alone almost entirely determine football results. Stefan Szymanski, economics professor at Cass Business School, studied the spending of 40 English clubs between 1978 and 1997, and found that their spending on salaries explained 92 per cent of their variation in league position. The team that pays most, wins…

In English football now, managers could probably be replaced by stuffed teddy bears without their club’s league position changing. The manager serves chiefly as a marketing device to fans, media, sponsors and players. He is the club’s spokesman. Totemic faith is invested in his powers. As there isn’t much he can actually do, the key thing is that he looks the part.”

I took this from an article in The Spectator from 2009. The person who wrote the article decided to take the piss out of Kuper by remarking that if his point was valid, we’d soon see English football being dominated by Man City and that’ll never happen.....

Managers can make a difference, especially decades ago when the gap between the haves and have nots was narrower. This allowed Clough to do well with Forest, Ferguson with Aberdeen, etc. Now the gap is huge and managers make little difference to finishing positions.

 

[SouthStand Billy]

Yes, but not in the same manner, not nearly as convincingly. Pep has turned the prem into la liga

Last season?

 

[Tomo]

Back in around 2008, the football writer Simon Kuper wrote the following:

“The fact is that players’ salaries alone almost entirely determine football results. Stefan Szymanski, economics professor at Cass Business School, studied the spending of 40 English clubs between 1978 and 1997, and found that their spending on salaries explained 92 per cent of their variation in league position. The team that pays most, wins…

In English football now, managers could probably be replaced by stuffed teddy bears without their club’s league position changing. The manager serves chiefly as a marketing device to fans, media, sponsors and players. He is the club’s spokesman. Totemic faith is invested in his powers. As there isn’t much he can actually do, the key thing is that he looks the part.”

I took this from an article in The Spectator from 2009. The person who wrote the article decided to take the piss out of Kuper by remarking that if his point was valid, we’d soon see English football being dominated by Man City and that’ll never happen.....

Managers can make a difference, especially decades ago when the gap between the haves and have nots was narrower. This allowed Clough to do well with Forest, Ferguson with Aberdeen, etc. Now the gap is huge and managers make little difference to finishing positions.

Interesting, this season we have the top 3 richest clubs all in the top 3 spots so does look credible unfortunately.

 

[pipes]

Interesting, this season we have the top 3 richest clubs all in the top 3 spots so does look credible unfortunately.

It’s almost always the case. One or two places are swapped around, but otherwise it’s a sound theory worldwide.
It’s why we are massively punching above our weight to finish higher than 6th, our expected position.

 

[The Dane]

I like the fact that Guardiola does his best to raise either his clubs own talent or buy/play domestic players from the country hes managing in.

He has the money and yes he spends it, but he's a damn good coach. Improves players, improves the way teams play and wins trophies. That's all you want from your coach.

Dyche is good in his own way. Would he be good with more money? Who knows? Moyes wasn't. Van Gaal wasn't. AVB wasn't. He may decide signing Tom Heaton for £15,000,000 because he can would be worth it, who knows.

I can appreciate both for what they do and what they achieve.

Na mate he just spends money, put Moyes in charge of City and he'd have 80 points by now. The guy is even giving more chances to youth players than Poch

 

[scott]

It is Scotty old boy. Unless you can just pull out a bigger wad of cash than any of your “rivals”.
Identifying real class isn’t hard. Having the funds to tempt the player, his agent & the selling club is the difficult part. For most clubs, it’s identifying a talent & getting a deal across the line without having the rug pulled from under you. That is what makes signing quality more difficult for some clubs.

Hmm you tipped us to win the title despite this disadvantage.