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Fucking EPL, not giving a shit about their own FFP rules then.
Cunts
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Fucking EPL, not giving a shit about their own FFP rules then.
Cunts
I reckon we will get fourth with Wolves coming fifth. They have a decent fixture list and Chelsea will continue dropping points.
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ManCity already announced they have appealed to CAS.
CAS would have to make a positive decision to allow ManCity to take part, as it stands they are banned.
Cant see CAS taking that decision to overturn the ban unless they think that UEFA have no right to ban them.
ManCity's best tactics are to get into CAS early - and my earlier post says that ManCity have been preparing their case for months already.
IMO ManCity will try to argue that the penalty is too harsh - maybe argue a one year ban more than enough ? Cant see them arguing that UEFA cannot set the rules by which its members must abide.
Not sure that's true ... City will get fined and docked points I'm fairly sure off that, and there's a strong rumour that two other clubs are very close to the same fate, Everton for sure ... but the EPL is also there to protect it's members.
City getting a two year ban for something PSG, Barca, and Juventus have been doing for years ... whilst I welcome the ban you have to ask how the rest of Europe keep getting away with it.
EPL see it as less cash to be circulated in their league. And its true that PSG was treated differently - which is why City will have some success at CAS too. But clearly the EPL give zero fucks about ffp, we already know that. It’s lip service. Points deduction this season would really take the piss though, it would be meaningless, so yeah i expect its true.
They already went to CAS early, who said a couple of days before this announcement that they couldn't step in till the decision is made but saw some of the processes followed as worrying or some such. So yeah City went toCAS early as its too their advantage as you say.
CAS will overturn at least some of it on procedural basis, that stuff is important in law, you cant predetermine the outcome and they blatantly did.
Two different things Man City can appeal the decision without requesting a suspension of the ban ... rather than me trying to explain that read the Chelsea case -
Chelsea have appealed to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) over their two-window transfer ban handed down by FIFA earlier this year. ... As it stands Chelsea have not lodged a request to CAS for the FIFA transfer ban to be suspended while the appeals process is completed.
Chelsea never did request a suspension from CAS and let the ban stay in force. The EPL complained about unfair treatment compared to previous cases against Real Madrid, Barcelona and Atletico Madrid all who had bans suspended without having to appeal to CAS, all detailed in this press report.
Chelsea ‘astonished’ as FIFA refuses to delay transfer ban while appeal is heard
Question is whether all the EPL clubs would support that - I could imagine Chelsea would, but what about other clubs which are not financially doped - whether Norwich, Burnley, Southampton and even Spurs all of whom abide in general by FFP rules, yet PL money is split on the basis of league position, so ManCity has 'unfairly' been awarded hundreds of millions of pounds of prize money, a proportion of which should have gone to all other clubs.
And all clubs need more money which Mancity has broken the rules (which everybody else abides by) to get.
Points deduction and relegation to a lower division might be a more fitting punishment to many PL clubs ? Make it a big punishment for 2.7 billion pounds worth of doping.
Start the conversation at next EPL meeting by discussing the Leeds City precedent in 1919 (financial irregularities plus failure to cooperate with investigation = expulsion from Football League) and work from there.
CAS can argue that the precedent is now not to suspend a ban.
I think CAS when it heard the case reduced the penalty from 2 TW ban to one TW ban.
But also think that 2.7 billion pounds of FFP breaches puts City in a different league of cheating to previous cases - may or may not have affect CAS thinking.
But my basic point rom previous post is that CAS is up to speed with much of City case so should be able to make a decision 'relatively' quickly
Fair point, and add a retroactive demotion for Woolwich for bribing their way into the league as well ... sure it was 80 years ago but cheating is cheating.
Might be worth remembering that the ManCity case was re-opened after the Football Leaks which resulted in thousands of ManCity internal documents became public and published around the world.
Those documents revealed, for example not only the financial doping but that ManCity wre directly negotiating with Infantino (thereby bypassing UEFA's own rules of having professional investigators and a quasi judicial function.
All the publicity has forced UEFA to 'enforce their own rules' which otherwise it might not - and I think CAS will also need to look professional and treat the matter seriously given the worldwide publicity of the evidence - something that no other case referred to it ever has had before.
Those documents revealed, for example not only the financial doping but that ManCity wre directly negotiating with Infantino (thereby bypassing UEFA's own rules of having professional investigators and a quasi judicial function.
All the publicity has forced UEFA to 'enforce their own rules' which otherwise it might not - and I think CAS will also need to look professional and treat the matter seriously given the worldwide publicity of the evidence - something that no other case referred to it ever has had before.
Just a small change it's not a (2.7 billion Eurus) 2.3 billion pounds breach, that's the estimated total spend by the club over those 5 years ... 1.3 billion came from Mansour, 389m from Silver Lake, and 265m from China Media capital and CITIC .... that total of 1.9 billion is all legitimately reported and accounted for ... the issue is the additional 400/500 odd million that has come from 'fake' sponsorship and marketing payments ....
CAS are not even close to the truth, City denied FIFA access to all company information claiming that whole process - a FIFA investigation, a FIFA prosecution, a FIFA judge, and a FIFA sentence was biased - they have said they will only release their defence to CAS ... that could take months or even years. Not at all sure City, FIFA or CAS want to do this under the glare of public scrutiny.
so ...
City could admit some guilt without revealing any details and simply appeal for a lower sentence - history shows CAS tend to cut these sentences in half ... a one year ban for a fistful of trophies and a clean slate, the scumbags will take that.
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Thanks for the correction - and think you mean UEFA not FIFA !
IMO its the failure to cooperate in the UEFA investigation that will count against them hugely in CAS eyes - so given they are guilty of that it means CAS must allow some punishment, and why CAS cant easily suspend the punishment.
Agree they could halve the suspension though
Yes of course UEFA not FIFA ... sorry
You may be right just depends what City have in their defence, bloody good lawyers no doubt.
This is where the EPL could step in if CAS drop the ball, after all City haven't damaged UEFA much but you could argue that illegal money has meant they have finished artificially higher in the EPL thus stealing cash and European Football from many other EPL clubs. Details of the EPL punishments are not officialy released but a points deduction and/or a demotion of one or two leagues is certainly within their power.
If City try and play Bobby Big Balls against CAS they may find that the EPL hurts them far more. When the EPL voted-in their own financial rules in 2013 it was Fulham, West Bromwich Albion, Manchester City, Aston Villa, Swansea City, and Southampton who voted against.
For five off those clubs it was because they had such low income they felt they would be unable to compete, no surprise four have since gone down with the other one barely hanging on ... only City off the wealthy clubs voted against (even Chelsea didn't have the stones) now I wonder why City did that? The rest of the EPL won't have forgotten, City are simply not well liked.
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I'll give you a "like", because I love the positivity. But I still can't relax until it's mathematically impossible for them to overtake us.
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And i'll give you a like because I like you.. That's the kind of smooth Guy I am.
City's problem is that so much of the evidence proving that they conspired to break all the FFP rules (eg setting up a separate company = Fordham - to 'buy' image rights which in turn was secretly funded by Abu Dhabi, paying players separately through that company to keep part of the player wages off ManCity books etc) that even with good lawyers they have an insurmountable problem on breaking the FFP rules.
The non co-operation with UEFA's investigation is also something they cant get round (except to say they don't think it fair for UEFA to both set rules, investigate and judge them).
So I cant see how CAS can totally dismiss the case.
And EPL are now looking stupid as they have FFP rules which City have driven a horse and cart through so with all the publicity need to be seen to treating the matter seriously - it cant be covered up in a smoke filled room as City were trying to do by talking direct to Infantino. Its all carried out in the full glare of publicity.
Going to be interesting to see where all this goes
Think of all the money and success lost during those seasons though. We missed out on top 4 2 of those 4 seasons through finishing one place lower due to them.
Think of the crucial points lost for teams that got relegated. Add all of that stolen revenue up and it's enough to make your eyes water.
When Athletes get banned retrospectively for illegal drugs they get their medals taken away. Perhaps that should happen to MC. Also talk Premier league could impose a points deduction for same offence although not sure when that would apply. It could affect the players and MC lose matches they are expected to win which will not help us as we have played them.