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Hunger

Selections & Structure

Obviously with Kane and Son missing this was always going to be an interesting line up. Pochettino opted to switch from the 41212/4312 he’d favoured of late, to a 3421. Llorente got his first league start, while Sanchez came in centrally in a 3CB system, Winks and Eriksen as the CM2, with Alli and Lamela as AM/10’s behind Llorente.


The efficacy of Poch’s shape shift is hard to judge really. I can understand why he felt it might be worth trying, playing wing backs with the intention of feeding crosses into Llorente made sense, whilst at the same time matching up Fulham’s format and also putting lateral CB’s to prevent the kind of exploitation of those gaps left by marauding FB’s that Utd spent much of last week planning to exploit also had merits in conception.


The problem was the game became a kind of front five verses back five war of attrition, Fulham did a reasonable job of covering the wide zones, and taking a player out of the midfield/attacking midfield zones, combined with the complete lack of dynamism of Llorente, the structure made it harder to transition at times, giving Winks and Eriksen less forward looking options. Things were also exasperated somewhat by Alli and Lamela being very erratic.

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The Game

I was not as incandescent with rage as some were at half time. I expected Fulham to be starting to show the signs of the Ranieri drill (last week they unluckily lost despite preventing Burnley having a single shit on target at home) and they have some quality footballers, especially in creative remits; Seri, Schurrle, Sessegnon, Vietto, the robust molotov agitant that is Mitrovic, Babel to name some. So I was expecting a tougher test than many.

We just don’t have the god given right to turn up and whack teams every week. All through this season we’ve had vulnerabilities, some are almost inherent with trying to play the progressive way Poch wants us to play, but some, like set pieces should be easier to fix. And to be fair I thought we’d largely done that from earlier in the season when we kept getting undone by them, but today, they resurfaced, which is odd considering we had an extra CB in there today.

The first half was a good tactical battle, we were the side trying to control the game, having 65% of the possession, but Fulham were better drilled, less gung ho than when we last played them, and always looking threatening on the counter and from those excellent Seri corners, one of which produced the only deft thing Llorente did all day, unfortunately he did it at the wrong end.

We kept plugging away though, trying to do the right things, and we did have our moments, the best of which were wasted, first by Llorente failing to connect cleanly to a great cross from Vertonghen, then Alli frittering away a nice ball into the channel, and worst of all Lamela, who having decided not to trust his right foot with the simple square pass that would have put Llorente in for a tap in, proceeded to contort his left foot in a way that meant said pass zipped beyond the forlorn Spaniard.

I thought Winks was really good today, his defensive game seems to be improving, game by game, today no-one made more ball recoveries, but what I liked most was that from the get go he seemed intent on looking forwards (he made 43 forward passes, Eriksen made 18) often taking the ball on the turn and looking and playing the pass. As ever he got through a shitload of ball (91/102 89% - Eriksen 55/67 82%) but he showed more intent to join the attack today as well as instigate them from deeper. Partly this was the format and dynamics, where previously he had two 8’s either side, today was more a double pivot, but it’s good that he’s reading and listening to the coaching and adapting to tactical changes on the hoof.

The second half we pretty much picked up where we left off the first. Got hold of the ball and started to go through the motions, moving it around, trying to probe for a chink in their armour. Pretty quickly we were level. A beautiful ball by Eriksen, who almost telepathically knows how to find Alli in those positions, presented him with an un-missable chance, and Alli duly obliged, powering it home with his head.

What followed was the inevitable attritional struggle, we had even more ball in the second than the first, pretty much camped in their half, ending the game with 72%, Fulham dug their trench even deeper, and quality chances were hard to come by. Alli and Lamela continued to fritter too much.

Then Poch made what on the face of it appeared an odd sub, bringing Dier on for Lamela. What this did though, was allow Eriksen to push up into Lamela’s 10 remit, and though this ultimately didn’t make a telling difference, it perhaps wasn’t the backwards step it had initially looked. I’d have preferred Skipp myself as I think he’s more likely to thread a pass through a defence, as he proved with that lovely ball for Llorente against Preston, and he’s also a dynamic little fucker, but Dier did basics OK.

Then fate intervened. There’s no way Poch would have swapped Nkoudou for Alli if the latter hadn’t got injured, but the forced change is what really ultimately ended up winning the game. Dis eeece fubal, no….

Pressure was building, another couple of great chances for Llorente went begging and we were all thinking “another one of those weeks”, more points dropped, then with a few seconds left two unlikely heroes emerged; who else but Winks picks up the ball on the edge of our box - having dropped back to cover - he starts a neat little interchange of passes, which see the ball worked out to Nkoudou on the left touchline, he cuts in a yard and delivers an absolute peach of a cross, where Winks, having run virtually the length of the pitch, dives in to head home the winner emphatically. Nobody deserved the goal more and his desire to get from our box to theirs to score it, typifies what this team, and this kid is about. Hunger.

I fucking love a last minute winner. Very few things from the football smorgasbord taste as good.


Individual

Lloris - One dodgy moment, but one of his best performances this season generally, some good saves.

Trippier - Worked hard, saw a lot of the ball, but was well martialled for the most part and didn’t contribute enough of quality.

Alderwiereld - Sepped out of defence well, good game.

Sanchez - Mitrovic gave him a torrid time, as he can do, he didn’t always come out entirely on top, but didn’t wilt either. Tough game, but kept at it.


Vertonghen - Like TA, stepped out with the ball well throughout.


Rose - As ever he gets plaudits for his intentions, as ever, would love to see some composure from him in good positions. Decent effort though.


Winks - Absolutely superb today. Made the most ball recoveries (11). Defensively is learning and improving every game. Constantly plays with his head up, and from the first minute was looking forwards. Most passes in opposition half (72), most forward passes by a mile (43), 91 passes completed. I like that he can move with ball too. Today, we saw a different Winks, getting into forward zones, and looking to play more incisive passes (like the one that played Rose into the box). Great game. MOTM


Eriksen - I was a little disappointed with his lack of risk taking first half, but maybe playing in a CM2 system does hamstring him a little, especially when the opposition are a bit lively. Still came up with a vital assist, and did work hard and saw plenty of the ball.


Lamela - Pretty poor game to be honest, was erratic and careless at times, this is partly Lamela’s DNA, but I guess not helped when you aren’t playing regularly either.


Alli - Much like Lamela, found the condensed spaces hard to operate in, and frittered away the ball too cheaply at times and goal aside didn’t really give the game much tangible quality product, but did put in effort.


Llorente - This is going to be a tough few weeks. Ignoring the wasted chances, Kane wastes chances, you just don’t get that all action, uberness that Kane brings, and without the effervescent Son to fill in, we really missed that energy. Completed 9 passes. Not a good day, but then when you are starting your first league game of the season in January, I guess it’s not ideal either.


Nkoudou - Absolutely superb cross for the winner.
 
You just can't see past Winks for MoM just outstanding today and the effort on the goal will turn him from team player (which he always has been) to superstar ... when Poch compares him to Modric and Rakitic that's praise of the very highest order ...

One of your best right ups Blakey really good stuff.

I thought Lamela's work rate, best in pretty much every stat of the forward players, was excellent just offset by his pretty shit last third choices, he got there then just fecked it up ... first start in over a month will only get sharper.

And Sanchez for me was a beast ... Mitrovic is one tough player and the more the game went on the more Sanchez shut him down ...

As for llorente with all the things he did badly the one thing he did well was in the air, he won 12 headers by far the most on the pitch we just didn't do anything with them ... the issue is that we play ball to feet or ball in to man running in behind, it's what we do week in week out, but that's not llorente's game ... the team need to give him more balls he can attack in the air or more long balls he can knock down ... against Chelsea when they will no doubt have 60% possession a bit more route-one to llorente might pay dividends ...

and agree the ref was utter shite - the Rose booking? was the ref on drugs? Salah dives every week, but he's a Dipper so I guess it doesn't count .....
 
"Poch makes game changing subs"

Not intentionally, he doesn't.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing Llorente etc against Chelsea because they aren't as bad as you clowns make out. If you're making stupid mistakes every game though? Then fuck off. As I have spammed in my last few posts, Trippier is a tool that needs to be rid off.

Hopefully when Dier comes back in, his concentration doesn't drop because he used to have many games in a row he'd do some daft pass to the opposition as well.
 
A very needed 3 points but rather a ramshackle performance with the last minute goal papering over the cracks . To be fair considering the team is threadbare the result was all.
Rose MOM . He kept going , trying to make something happen even if his last touch let him down at times. 7
Winks played well and won us the game. 6.5
Verts , Toby solid 6
Sanchez bullied a little 5
Lamela , not effective 3
Lloris 6
Eriksen 6
Ali 5
Tripps 4
Liorente 2 , piss poor , offered nothing and makes Ian Moore look like a thoroughbred.


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A very needed 3 points but rather a ramshackle performance with the last minute goal papering over the cracks . To be fair considering the team is threadbare the result was all.
Rose MOM . He kept going , trying to make something happen even if his last touch let him down at times. 7
Winks played well and won us the game. 6.5
Verts , Toby solid 6
Sanchez bullied a little 5
Lamela , not effective 3
Lloris 6
Eriksen 6
Ali 5
Tripps 4
Liorente 2 , piss poor , offered nothing and makes Ian Moore look like a thoroughbred.


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Agree with this - although for me Llorente and Trippier were both 2s
 
Can anyone tell me definitvely what Trippier did that was so bad.....other than being Trippier

Getting fucking absurd now
i've always been a staunch defender of trippier but he was shit yesterday. not in an obvious way, ie fuck ups, bad positioning etc, but just utterly wasteful of good position. He was literally terrified of the opposing FB and was disposing of the ball if he was less than 5 yards from him. at least Rose had a go yesterday, tripper played more backwards passes than ray wilkins.
 
Hunger

Selections & Structure

Obviously with Kane and Son missing this was always going to be an interesting line up. Pochettino opted to switch from the 41212/4312 he’d favoured of late, to a 3421. Llorente got his first league start, while Sanchez came in centrally in a 3CB system, Winks and Eriksen as the CM2, with Alli and Lamela as AM/10’s behind Llorente.


The efficacy of Poch’s shape shift is hard to judge really. I can understand why he felt it might be worth trying, playing wing backs with the intention of feeding crosses into Llorente made sense, whilst at the same time matching up Fulham’s format and also putting lateral CB’s to prevent the kind of exploitation of those gaps left by marauding FB’s that Utd spent much of last week planning to exploit also had merits in conception.


The problem was the game became a kind of front five verses back five war of attrition, Fulham did a reasonable job of covering the wide zones, and taking a player out of the midfield/attacking midfield zones, combined with the complete lack of dynamism of Llorente, the structure made it harder to transition at times, giving Winks and Eriksen less forward looking options. Things were also exasperated somewhat by Alli and Lamela being very erratic.

pJFHAaX.png



The Game

I was not as incandescent with rage as some were at half time. I expected Fulham to be starting to show the signs of the Ranieri drill (last week they unluckily lost despite preventing Burnley having a single shit on target at home) and they have some quality footballers, especially in creative remits; Seri, Schurrle, Sessegnon, Vietto, the robust molotov agitant that is Mitrovic, Babel to name some. So I was expecting a tougher test than many.

We just don’t have the god given right to turn up and whack teams every week. All through this season we’ve had vulnerabilities, some are almost inherent with trying to play the progressive way Poch wants us to play, but some, like set pieces should be easier to fix. And to be fair I thought we’d largely done that from earlier in the season when we kept getting undone by them, but today, they resurfaced, which is odd considering we had an extra CB in there today.

The first half was a good tactical battle, we were the side trying to control the game, having 65% of the possession, but Fulham were better drilled, less gung ho than when we last played them, and always looking threatening on the counter and from those excellent Seri corners, one of which produced the only deft thing Llorente did all day, unfortunately he did it at the wrong end.

We kept plugging away though, trying to do the right things, and we did have our moments, the best of which were wasted, first by Llorente failing to connect cleanly to a great cross from Vertonghen, then Alli frittering away a nice ball into the channel, and worst of all Lamela, who having decided not to trust his right foot with the simple square pass that would have put Llorente in for a tap in, proceeded to contort his left foot in a way that meant said pass zipped beyond the forlorn Spaniard.

I thought Winks was really good today, his defensive game seems to be improving, game by game, today no-one made more ball recoveries, but what I liked most was that from the get go he seemed intent on looking forwards (he made 43 forward passes, Eriksen made 18) often taking the ball on the turn and looking and playing the pass. As ever he got through a shitload of ball (91/102 89% - Eriksen 55/67 82%) but he showed more intent to join the attack today as well as instigate them from deeper. Partly this was the format and dynamics, where previously he had two 8’s either side, today was more a double pivot, but it’s good that he’s reading and listening to the coaching and adapting to tactical changes on the hoof.

The second half we pretty much picked up where we left off the first. Got hold of the ball and started to go through the motions, moving it around, trying to probe for a chink in their armour. Pretty quickly we were level. A beautiful ball by Eriksen, who almost telepathically knows how to find Alli in those positions, presented him with an un-missable chance, and Alli duly obliged, powering it home with his head.

What followed was the inevitable attritional struggle, we had even more ball in the second than the first, pretty much camped in their half, ending the game with 72%, Fulham dug their trench even deeper, and quality chances were hard to come by. Alli and Lamela continued to fritter too much.

Then Poch made what on the face of it appeared an odd sub, bringing Dier on for Lamela. What this did though, was allow Eriksen to push up into Lamela’s 10 remit, and though this ultimately didn’t make a telling difference, it perhaps wasn’t the backwards step it had initially looked. I’d have preferred Skipp myself as I think he’s more likely to thread a pass through a defence, as he proved with that lovely ball for Llorente against Preston, and he’s also a dynamic little fucker, but Dier did basics OK.

Then fate intervened. There’s no way Poch would have swapped Nkoudou for Alli if the latter hadn’t got injured, but the forced change is what really ultimately ended up winning the game. Dis eeece fubal, no….

Pressure was building, another couple of great chances for Llorente went begging and we were all thinking “another one of those weeks”, more points dropped, then with a few seconds left two unlikely heroes emerged; who else but Winks picks up the ball on the edge of our box - having dropped back to cover - he starts a neat little interchange of passes, which see the ball worked out to Nkoudou on the left touchline, he cuts in a yard and delivers an absolute peach of a cross, where Winks, having run virtually the length of the pitch, dives in to head home the winner emphatically. Nobody deserved the goal more and his desire to get from our box to theirs to score it, typifies what this team, and this kid is about. Hunger.

I fucking love a last minute winner. Very few things from the football smorgasbord taste as good.


Individual

Lloris - One dodgy moment, but one of his best performances this season generally, some good saves.

Trippier - Worked hard, saw a lot of the ball, but was well martialled for the most part and didn’t contribute enough of quality.

Alderwiereld - Sepped out of defence well, good game.

Sanchez - Mitrovic gave him a torrid time, as he can do, he didn’t always come out entirely on top, but didn’t wilt either. Tough game, but kept at it.


Vertonghen - Like TA, stepped out with the ball well throughout.


Rose - As ever he gets plaudits for his intentions, as ever, would love to see some composure from him in good positions. Decent effort though.


Winks - Absolutely superb today. Made the most ball recoveries (11). Defensively is learning and improving every game. Constantly plays with his head up, and from the first minute was looking forwards. Most passes in opposition half (72), most forward passes by a mile (43), 91 passes completed. I like that he can move with ball too. Today, we saw a different Winks, getting into forward zones, and looking to play more incisive passes (like the one that played Rose into the box). Great game. MOTM


Eriksen - I was a little disappointed with his lack of risk taking first half, but maybe playing in a CM2 system does hamstring him a little, especially when the opposition are a bit lively. Still came up with a vital assist, and did work hard and saw plenty of the ball.


Lamela - Pretty poor game to be honest, was erratic and careless at times, this is partly Lamela’s DNA, but I guess not helped when you aren’t playing regularly either.


Alli - Much like Lamela, found the condensed spaces hard to operate in, and frittered away the ball too cheaply at times and goal aside didn’t really give the game much tangible quality product, but did put in effort.


Llorente - This is going to be a tough few weeks. Ignoring the wasted chances, Kane wastes chances, you just don’t get that all action, uberness that Kane brings, and without the effervescent Son to fill in, we really missed that energy. Completed 9 passes. Not a good day, but then when you are starting your first league game of the season in January, I guess it’s not ideal either.


Nkoudou - Absolutely superb cross for the winner.
Agree with Winks but i really do think having Dier back is a massive benefit to the lad.i know theres not always a lot of love for Dier but with Winks and Eriksen in CM we keep getting killed on the second ball. Was great seeing Dier winning headers in that middle third yesterday and taking a bit of pressure off the defenders.
 
i've always been a staunch defender of trippier but he was shit yesterday. not in an obvious way, ie fuck ups, bad positioning etc, but just utterly wasteful of good position. He was literally terrified of the opposing FB and was disposing of the ball if he was less than 5 yards from him. at least Rose had a go yesterday, tripper played more backwards passes than ray wilkins.

Maybe he was instructed to
 
i'm not sure instructions would be so finite and one dimensional as "never try to beat a man, always recycle > risk"

Rose clearly either doesn't get the same instruction or chooses to ignore it.

But the precise reason Rose was constantly doing it was why Trippier wasnt
 
I think the truth of the matter is that nobody on here has the first idea what instructions Trippier or Rose have been given. It is perfectly plausible that they are both given very different remits though isn’t it?

Surely you play to your strengths in a game (depending on opposition) and work on your weaknesses in training?
 
But the precise reason Rose was constantly doing it was why Trippier wasnt
that doesn't really make sense mate. look, like i said i've defended hima lot on the past but yesterday we had 75% of the ball, and the luxury of three at the back to licence him to take that risk. Sure, largely the Poch directive is ball retention, but Poch also gives players the freedom to try the difficult thing and i think he encourages players to have the balls to do it. Tripps doesnt. i think he's scared to. Dunno why.
 
A very needed 3 points but rather a ramshackle performance with the last minute goal papering over the cracks . To be fair considering the team is threadbare the result was all.
Rose MOM . He kept going , trying to make something happen even if his last touch let him down at times. 7
Winks played well and won us the game. 6.5
Verts , Toby solid 6
Sanchez bullied a little 5
Lamela , not effective 3
Lloris 6
Eriksen 6
Ali 5
Tripps 4
Liorente 2 , piss poor , offered nothing and makes Ian Moore look like a thoroughbred.


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Yup, agree with most of this. Kudos to Winks for running himself into the ground and saving the points. He did play lots of stray earlier balls that we were lucky to get away with. Felt Rose is getting stronger and was keen to make an impact, very unlucky his shot hit the bar.

Tripper might be impacted by not having Sissoko as cover, might feel vulnerable. Don't get all the hate, he has played well in certain games, was decent at the WC, not sure why he has fallen so far out of favour so quickly with so many. Not firing on all cylinders at the moment sure but neither has Dele and a few others up until recently!
 
that doesn't really make sense mate. look, like i said i've defended hima lot on the past but yesterday we had 75% of the ball, and the luxury of three at the back to licence him to take that risk. Sure, largely the Poch directive is ball retention, but Poch also gives players the freedom to try the difficult thing and i think he encourages players to have the balls to do it. Tripps doesnt. i think he's scared to. Dunno why.

I dont think Poch is demanding he bomb forward at the same time as Rose personally, and I dont think that Trippier is point blank refusing to do it.
Im aware he´s off form, and Im aware that he´s not been as effective as he can be, but yesterday I think it simply tactical most of his decisions to go backwards.

Id rather he play safe than out of his comfort zone personally
 
Tripper has 31 assists in 155 appearances for Spurs
Kyle Walker has 32 assists in 201 appearances for Spurs and City
Azpilcueta has 37 assists in 306 appearances for Chelsea

"Tripper cant attack"

:paulinhobored:
 
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