Sammy, sometimes your replies are so good. This would be one of them because it's universal and true.
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Are you rating his 'assists' that were a) a ball stolen off him by Lucas after his bumbling and b) a pass meant for another player that his teammate(s) recognized and even his manager does (football.london article where Rose informs Poch the 3rd goal was a pass meant for Llorente)?
Go read my comments in autumn 2017.....revisionist my arse.
Most people didn’t want to see it and felt compelled to back the player. Fair enough.
But 2 years on and its undeniable how far he’s fallen. Go and watch a montage from 2016 and tell me this is the player we see today.
Apparently he just needs time. I thought he just needed the summer and this season he’d be back all guns blazing.....
A blast from the past, I’ve highlighted the key portion.
Dele literally, literally does exactly this last year by playing deeper, breaking up play and contributing with more all around team play. Also has a 13 goals and assists pace in the league if he played the entire season, which while lower than the 20+ he had been been producing before, is still good for deeper midfielder and the fact that Son and Lucas have stepped up their goal tallies significantly means he will naturally score less in that setup.
TOTAL SHIT GUYS CLEARLY.
First start back from a 3.5 month layoff. Only thing that will do Dele in is his hamstring in my opinion. If he’s still in poor form going into the November international break, then I will be concerned, because that will be the first prolonged stretch of him actually playing poorly when fully fit. He needs to be reintegrated with the squad and Poch needs to figure out how best to use him, because he’s too good not to be a major contributor in one way or another.
Dele literally, literally does exactly this last year by playing deeper, breaking up play and contributing with more all around team play. Also has a 13 goals and assists pace in the league if he played the entire season, which while lower than the 20+ he had been been producing before, is still good for deeper midfielder and the fact that Son and Lucas have stepped up their goal tallies significantly means he will naturally score less in that setup.
TOTAL SHIT GUYS CLEARLY.
First start back from a 3.5 month layoff. Only thing that will do Dele in is his hamstring in my opinion. If he’s still in poor form going into the November international break, then I will be concerned, because that will be the first prolonged stretch of him actually playing poorly when fully fit. He needs to be reintegrated with the squad and Poch needs to figure out how best to use him, because he’s too good not to be a major contributor in one way or another.
His lack of effort when Olympiacos had the ball was scandalous.
agree, but he wasn't the only one TBF
I know that, Mrs P. But what's his excuse?
Dele is what you call a luxury player.
Unfortunately, we don't set up for such a player as everyone has a defined role under Poch.
Unfortunately, we don't set up for such a player as everyone has a defined role under Poch.
he hasn't had a lot of playing time? I tend to give players the benefit of the doubt but agree that he needs to buck up his ideas, Saturday would be a good start.
Lord knows with Alli.
Seems like a flipping #iwillregressitis.com# is going through the team and that he was the host.
Seems like a flipping #iwillregressitis.com# is going through the team and that he was the host.
No excuse for strolling around from the first whistle, which is what he was doing.
The thing that defined peak Dele was that nasty little edge to his game, he'd get in peoples faces, fly into tackles, niggle and ok occasionally that got him sent off, but so be it.
I thought to myself we have a winner here, this is how winners act, see Roy Keane.
But all that has gone from his game, I can't believe that's down to Poch as I think Poch would appreciate that kind of fire and not want to extinguish it.
Could be Gareth Beige and the England setup? perhaps.
I think its probably his life outside of football if I had to hazard a guess.
but without that edge he just isn't the same player anymore, its like a pale shadow
I thought to myself we have a winner here, this is how winners act, see Roy Keane.
But all that has gone from his game, I can't believe that's down to Poch as I think Poch would appreciate that kind of fire and not want to extinguish it.
Could be Gareth Beige and the England setup? perhaps.
I think its probably his life outside of football if I had to hazard a guess.
but without that edge he just isn't the same player anymore, its like a pale shadow
No you won't. This is just another denial tactic. You will find another excuse to continue to believe what you have already convinced yourself of presently. It will be until the evidence is so profound, in such an abundance so as to make you look foolish before you accept the reality that is before you. People don't move from denial to reasoned acceptance in the way you are stating. They move from denial to irrational anger because they feel then the player has let them down. It's a way to avoid saying "I was wrong".
Same way it went with Tripps (and every other player that wasn't good enough or whose qualities were not a good fit) and why he got all the irrational hate. Rational folks have already accepted that Dele has been on a downward slide of performances/production. And really keen observers have noted that he was never quite the player that his goal contributions would suggest. And that's why those folks are not really all that surprised at what's being served up now.
Just look at this weekend. We had 1 good 45 minutes and the same morons popping up and calling out folks like the team has turned a corner and the last 6 months of truly relegation league form didn't occur. And this was because of just 45 minutes of decent play against a team that we shouldn't really be worried about.
Reasonable people would say that in order to erase the previous 6 months of awful play I would want to see 3, 4, 5 or 6 months of good play. Nope! One half erases it all. lol.
So no, you won't be that reasonable on this subject. He'll head one in at the backpost this weekend and you'll be singing with the rest "where are the haters now. told you Dele was great". And that 1 goal will hold you until Christmas. And then he'll do something else positive and you'll be happy to give him another year of unquestioned 'support' thus pitting you against the other group of impure haters. It's amazing how tribal purity always reduces to 1.
If only he was HALF as good as he thinks he is....
He's playing shit and has been for ages. I was desperate for us to sign Bruno Fernandes in the transfer window as an (effective) replacement for Dele.
I see where you coming from but no time for kindness and nicety, we need a good decent performance on Saturday, drop him and let him prove his worth against Colchester next week.
To me it was his telepathic relationship with Kane that defined him. He had a lot of injuries last season. I'm hoping he finds his form as peak Dele makes spurs a joy to watch. I do miss his nasty streak too though.