mmm, don't you just come across as a prized Spurs emblem with that comment?Ever think maybe the games moved on? Passed you by? Evolved?
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mmm, don't you just come across as a prized Spurs emblem with that comment?Ever think maybe the games moved on? Passed you by? Evolved?
Fair enough Ran, no probs. I guess I got a bit disconcerted by the word 'bollocks'.
I have a lot of people on here having a go at me, so I tend to be a bit sensitive.
No but, sentiment aside... we are. We're exactly the same as the 100 other clubs. We're all just football clubs, that exist to play football. We may have an ethos and an identity... but then so do all the other clubs.Nah.. your wrong there mate. Tottenham Hotspur is not the same as 100 other clubs. And our expectations should be higher. We are fucking Spurs mate. We're a class apart. We should always be aiming for the stars. Better to fail aiming high, than succeed aiming low. As I said, We're fucking Spurs, and we should never be happy to accept being also rans
Oh sorry, am i wrong? Has football not changed at all in the last 20 years? Oh sorry. My bad.mmm, don't you just come across as a prized Spurs emblem with that comment?
you know what you said, and why you said it.Oh sorry, am i wrong? Has football not changed at all in the last 20 years? Oh sorry. My bad.
Erm, i honestly really don't? I literally have no idea what you mean.you know what you said, and why you said it.
and you know why I responded in the way I did.
so yes - your bad
I couldn't agree more, with pretty much everything that you just said, as it happens.Erm, i honestly really don't? I literally have no idea what you mean.
My interpretation is that.. you take offence to me saying the game has moved on in the last 20 years and that some of the older people on here are still judging modern football in the present day, by the standards of the 60's 70's and 80's. Which to me, is ridiculous. Had you guys even heard of a billion in the 60's? Lets alone seen football teams spending one willy nilly.
What i said was in response to fidel castro saying everything he loved about spurs... was things that happened more than 20 years ago. I think its a valid point that the club and the nature of the game in general is very different now. Its like John Thomas saying we should be the best club in the country. Yeah, we should be aiming for it... but we haven't won the league in 54 years. Thats 54 attempts at being the best in the country failed. At what point do we all admit that... we aren't the best in the country, and we aren't going to be any time soon. I can admit that. Im very realistic. I don't look at football like a wide eyed little boy, i look at it in the very real terms of what it was, what its become and what it will be.
I love the Bill Nicholson quotes, its history. In that respect we do have a rich history. Better than many. And that is something to be proud of, and it is something that sets us apart. But it doesnt put money in the bank, or trophies in the cabinet. Us all saying "But we're tottenham Hotspur we should be aiming to win the league" isn't going to make it so? And really, its just not true. We aren't realistically fighting to win the league. But that doesnt mean we don't try and win every game. Every single football team does. (well, apart from the bent ones obviously). West Brom don't start the season aiming to win the league, but it doesnt mean they don't want to. And it doesnt mean they don't go out 38 times a season with the intention of getting 3 points.
I don't know. Feel free to explain your point. No need to be so cryptic.
It wasn't meant as ageist, it was a genuine comment. He strikes me as being stuck in the past, unable to embrace the modern game. All his complaints, and its the same with greaves, lack context, because they're looking at it from a perspective that no longer exists. In that respect, the game has very much passed him by. Its only natural, no doubt its the same with other aspects of life, and no doubt i'll be the same when my time comes.I couldn't agree more, with pretty much everything that you just said, as it happens.
I didn't have any issues with the majority of your earlier comments either.
only about the patronising line about the game having passed him by.
It may distress you to learn that I actually think you're a pretty decent poster for the most part, but your descents into ageist attempts at put downs and your continual, unprovoked (to any recollection of mine) abuse of me on a personal level don't exactly make me feel benevolent to your excesses.
Nah.. your wrong there mate. Tottenham Hotspur is not the same as 100 other clubs. And our expectations should be higher. We are fucking Spurs mate. We're a class apart. We should always be aiming for the stars. Better to fail aiming high, than succeed aiming low. As I said, We're fucking Spurs, and we should never be happy to accept being also rans
The bit that makes me laugh is the "old man" comments, as if young men making carping comments about age as if it were a human failing. I did it - and now here I am getting it back, mostly its just funny - as it shows a limitation in peoples ability to be rude without any innovation.Thanks for the kind words Fidel.
In the past on forums I've got involved in plenty of slanging matches, but these days I can't be bothered so just ignore it for the most part. But certainly the disgusting abuse people like AB and others aim at me is something they should be thoroughly ashamed of. Hopefully one day they'll look back on this episode in their lives, and realise how badly they have behaved.
have you ever stopped to consider how you come across?It wasn't meant as ageist, it was a genuine comment. He strikes me as being stuck in the past, unable to embrace the modern game. All his complaints, and its the same with greaves, lack context, because they're looking at it from a perspective that no longer exists. In that respect, the game has very much passed him by. Its only natural, no doubt its the same with other aspects of life, and no doubt i'll be the same when my time comes.
As for the "put downs" i don't consider them unprovoked. There was a reason. When you first signed up you came across as a prick. i don't remember the full extent. Its not like I'm the only person here that has ever found you... i dunno, annoying? I just have no time for subtlety. I call a spade a spade and a cunt a cunt.
Nah.. your wrong there mate. Tottenham Hotspur is not the same as 100 other clubs. And our expectations should be higher. We are fucking Spurs mate. We're a class apart. We should always be aiming for the stars. Better to fail aiming high, than succeed aiming low. As I said, We're fucking Spurs, and we should never be happy to accept being also rans
The cleverer clubs realised the riches the CL would bring and gambled on it. There were casualties such as Leeds and lucky fuckers like Chelsea
If it were a straight 50-50 shot between ending up like Leeds or Woolwich (bearing in mind Chelsea's results are nothing to do with UCL money), would you really take that gamble on the club?
Forgetting for a moment the 1998-2008 era, right now Woolwich are basically one place better off than us, whereas Leeds have spent a decade in the lower divisions.
Is that worth the gamble?
I couldn't agree more, with pretty much everything that you just said, as it happens.
I didn't have any issues with the majority of your earlier comments either.
only about the patronising line about the game having passed him by.
It may distress you to learn that I actually think you're a pretty decent poster for the most part, but your descents into ageist attempts at put downs and your continual, unprovoked (to any recollection of mine) abuse of me on a personal level don't exactly make me feel benevolent to your excesses.
If it were a straight 50-50 shot between ending up like Leeds or Woolwich (bearing in mind Chelsea's results are nothing to do with UCL money), would you really take that gamble on the club?
Forgetting for a moment the 1998-2008 era, right now Woolwich are basically one place better off than us, whereas Leeds have spent a decade in the lower divisions.
Is that worth the gamble?
Hahahaha! Im not ashamed at all, I'm actually proud. Like someone once saidThanks for the kind words Fidel.
In the past on forums I've got involved in plenty of slanging matches, but these days I can't be bothered so just ignore it for the most part. But certainly the disgusting abuse people like AB and others aim at me is something they should be thoroughly ashamed of. Hopefully one day they'll look back on this episode in their lives, and realise how badly they have behaved.
Well said Mick. It is absolutely wrong to attack people just because they're of 'advanced years'.The bit that makes me laugh is the "old man" comments, as if young men making carping comments about age as if it were a human failing. I did it - and now here I am getting it back, mostly its just funny - as it shows a limitation in peoples ability to be rude without any innovation.
The other thing that is really funny is the perception that you have learned nothing as you walk through life - and that the new generation of humans have invented everything thats good, whilst we simply see everything in black and white and want to keep slaves.
Oh that and the fact that you must obviously be suffering from senile dementia and be infirm.
I always know when I'm getting the upper hand in any debate or discussion when that stuff gets trotted out (along with the cunt factor rising exponentially)
and the world turns one more time........