Yeah I think there's a natural feeling to pour cold water on Sarr because tall poppy syndrome. But Bissouma form has fluctuated too much to claim he is more important than Sarr. But in my honest opinion its been harder to replace what Sarr gives us than either Bentancur or Bissouma. This maybe credit to Hojbjerg and Locelso more than anything else, but him being out has hurt more. I don't really count Madders because I think he is purely an attacking player.
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Fair enough but you also said he's played in 23 games (he's played in 24) so which one aren't you counting if we're going to be misleading
Well I was clearly talking about the league. So the Fulham game, which is a cup game (incase you weren't aware, I'll remind you again) , wasn't included.
But sure. Let's add it. Yet another game we havent conceded in whilst he was on the pitch.
So you're including West Ham's 6 minutes (and Palace's 8 minutes) yet using those as an argument against my post - calling it misleading. You're contradicting yourself.
I don't get ' he didn't stand'out thing either. Some times because the way Ange team set up this can be a sign he's doing his job well. His ability to cover, fill holes and allow the inverted fullbacks to maraud means it isn't all about scoring and assisting. I still don't think some understand what he is doing.
What's not to understand? He didn't stand out in the eye test for many people, that's all, doesn't mean he didn't play well, very much like Bissouma last game vs Villa where very few gave him credit for his performance for the reasons you're describing.
I included EVERY single minute he played in the league. It's right there in my post mate.
If you can't comprehend what's been written. That's on you. Not me.
That's got nothing to do with my opinion on your post. You disagreed that I thought he was a key player and your "opinion" on that disagreement came from OTHER people's emotional reaction to Spurs games through a forums ratings.
You said we've conceded 5 goals in 23 games he's played in, I disagreed with the over-selling of him, you replied that I'm misleading people by including West Ham and Fulham (cup game) since he only played a few minutes, yet you are precisely using the West Ham (and Palace) games where he played a total of 14 minutes to say we've conceded 5 goals in 23 games he's played in.
If you can't comprehend what I've written then that's on you. Not me. (fucking annoying thing to say no?)
Anyway, I'm just using data, if you don't agree with over-emotional ratings that's fine, your prerogative but I disagree with people calling him player of the season or making out he's Vieira. He's not, yet, but he's on the right track.
So we are debating or arguing about a player we all feel the same about?
It was 1-0 when Sarr went off. Then it went to 3-0
Bournemouth scored 1 minute after Dier came on and had a 2nd disallowed IIRC
Better than calling out people for being chess cheats I suppose
Sarr also scored the opening goal before he went off.
He's having a good season but Vicario, Udogie, Porro, Romero, VDV and Maddison have been more important in my view and if Connor Gallagher comes in as is being heavily reported Sarr is going to have to go up a notch to keep his place.
5 goals from open play. But otherwise correct.
Correct. You've based your opinion on other people's emotional views because of a match result.
Did he not play in those games then?
Data derived from a person's opinion of events. Not facts. Therefore, useless data.
Youre fine with disagreeing with people's opinions of him being player of the season (one thing we agree on) and making out like he's Vieira. I said neither of those things my post. I said he was key to us.
1,431 he's been on the pitch in the league for us. So about the equivalent of 16 league games.
So on average, when he's NOT on the pitch, we concede a goal from open play every 77 minutes.
As opposed to when he's on the pitch and we concede a goal from open play, on average, once every 3.2 games.
Yes I know all that, I was there.
If you weren't there you wouldn't have seen how for the next 30-40 minutes we were battered, we didn't have a chance and they could have scored a couple, they had enough chances to win 3 matches.
Here's the BBC:
an injury-hit Spurs watched as Bournemouth enjoyed plenty of chances and looked likely to level;
the Cherries posed a threat throughout and will perhaps wonder how they did not manage to take something from the game;
Richarlison got a crucial touch on Marcus Tavernier's free-kick to ensure it whistled wide before Solanke's effort almost found the back of the net when Ben Davies diverted it on to the top of the crossbar;
Solanke had nine chances, the most he has had in any top-flight match this season, forcing Guglielmo Vicario into a good reaction save with a header and going close from Tavernier's low cross;
With Sarr, we go one up and no bother.
As soon as he goes off it all goes to shit.
We hang on for 30-40 mins until a Son special and a breakaway give us the points.
That is very trueBetter than calling out people for being chess cheats I suppose
Ok, I'm not really sure what we're discussing now.
You're presenting factual data based on your criteria, I'm presenting data based on about 30+ people's perceived performance per game, effectively the eye test everyone bangs on about.
I never said you called him Vieira but I've seen posts in this thread where people are going a bit overboard with comparisons and performances in my view.
I'll stop before The Dealer sees your posts and makes this thread about the value of forum ratings
Nah, we can definitely still improve in that area and I'm sure Ange will be looking to do just that this summer.
Ok, I'm not really sure what we're discussing now.
You're presenting factual data based on your criteria, I'm presenting data based on about 30+ people's perceived performance per game, effectively the eye test everyone bangs on about.
I never said you called him Vieira but I've seen posts in this thread where people are going a bit overboard with comparisons and performances in my view.
I'll stop before The Dealer sees your posts and makes this thread about the value of forum ratings
Because most of the people in the ratings thread let their agendas be known and either let their miserable existence take over when it comes to rating certain players or overrate them simply based on the teams result.
We could win 6-0 at the weekend. Have zero trouble defensively, team doesn't even have a shot on goal and one of our defenders, if not all and the goalkeeper could end up getting 8 or 9 ratings. Despite doing pretty much nothing all game. But due to the result, everyone being happy, let's give everyone 8 and 9s, maybe a 10 in there because why not?
Basing a players season off the ratings of a miserable fanbase probably isn't the smartest argument.
But yes, let's leave it there before The Dealer calls to the ratings signal in the sky and provides us with a dossier.
View: https://x.com/thespursexpress/status/1767556716734853326?s=46&t=DK3x3JffKkqwqcsQdIeO_A
Imagine the confidence that gives you when your manager says you have no ceiling…
Tbh he probably doesn’t. Loooong way to go but he’s coming through at the right age and playing football without playing too much.