Summer Transfer Thread 2023! - Closed (Maybe)

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The stadium certainly explains why we had lower net spend before 2019 than after 2019. I'm not denying that's a key factor.

However, I'd make two points:
1. The fact that our net spend was so much lower than our rivals from 2014-2019 means that the 2019 cut off is misleading when used as a comparator with other clubs, for reasons I've explained.

2. Was the low net spend 2014-2019 only due to stadium costs? It was the lowest in the PL in this time period.

Our transfers from 2016 to 2019 were awful - no decent players signed, best are probably Suarez and Moura.

And that means we cannot generate any meaningful sales revenues in recent transfers from players bought in that period because nobody will pay much for Suarez, Ndombele, Lo Celso Sessegnon etc. A huge handicap for us
 
The market is what it is. Domestic players (esp ones in the England XI) are insanely over-priced. We got a real bargain with Maddison & the powers that be deserve credit for getting that one done.

I think he (Rice) is one of the best defensive midfielders in Europe & probably future captain material. Is that worth 105m? I dunno, markets fucked.
I agree but just because there's a disco on it doesn't mean we have to go.

Sure, I'd like to get to second base but not at the cost of a fortnight in the Maldives for someone who looks like you.

No offence intended. :contekiss:
 
Does anyone else see what this has to do with a « ginormous rebuild » and « contracts being torn up »?

Sounds like deflection to me.

He was right on Vicario but a bit of a cunt too

I know Paul pretty well, he's an honest person, and knows the club and some of the staff and players well.

To be fair, though I don't know you, it's fair to say that you are the bigger cunt.
 
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Not as ridiculous as Spurs fans OVERPLAYING Scum things to make Spurs look worse!

Back at my computer now... Some FACTS:

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CURRENT WINDOW (as at NOW per TFM):

Arse (m/euros):

23/24 in 231.6 out 19.9 <<< so far = 211.7m
Spurs (m/euros):

23/24 in 136.3 out 11.6 <<< so far = 124.7m
Let's do Livepool for posterity too seeing as they occupy a similar bracket to us and the scum:
23/24 in 112 out 14 <<< so far = 98m

..........Lets see how the rest of the window pans out shall we? ...Fair?


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PREVIOUS WINDOWS (since first full season in NWHL):

Arse (m/euros):

22/23 in 192.3 out 23.8 = 168.5m
21/22 in 167.40 out 31.4 = 136.0m
20/21 in 86 out 19.1 = 66.9m
19/20 in 160.8 out 53.6 = 107.2m
= €478.6m (net spend) / Avg per season = €119.65m

Spurs (m/euros):

22/23 in 177.9 out 38.7 = 139.2m
21/22 in 95.9 out 34.6 = 61.3m
20/21 in 110.50 out 13.3 = 97.2m
19/20 in 150.5 out 64.5 = 86m
= €383.7m (net spend) / Avg per season = €95.92m (Hardly the chasm it has been portrayed to be!)

Liverpool (m/euros):
22/23 in 137.3 out 80.7 = 56.6m
21/22 in 87.0 out 29.5 = 57.5m
20/21 in 84.0 out 17.2 = 66.8m
19/20 in 10.4 out 48.0 = -37.6m
= €143.3m (net spend) / Avg per season = €35.82m

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Wages in pounds (Seeing as goalposts get shifted to wages if/when it suits):

22/23 - Arse 103.5m / THFC 110.4m
21/22 - Arse 93.9m / THFC 89.7m
20/21 - Arse 128.7m / THFC 129.1m
19/20 - Arse 115.4m / THFC 93.1m

Arse = Total £441.5m
THFC = Total £422.3m
Diff = £19.2m / Avg per season = £4.8m

Figures as per:

........Contrary to hype Arse vastly outspending us there either

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This isn't intended to provoke further debate; but:

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Please bookmark for future discussion.. It would save a lot of ball-ache.

You can't do a comparisson based on money spent alone.

A left back would cost less than a striker?

It's about the player, position on the field, contract remaining and any buy out clause?

What about free transfers?

The end of the day the PL table dictates who has been more suuccessful irrespective of spend.

Didn't Leicester of a few seasons ago prove that?
 
I doubt he just plucked the idea of a rebuild out his backside.

Someone at the club told him that

Who's to say that over the next ten to twelve days player movement both on and out won't increase?

I said before that the Kane issue once resolved will see all the pieces fall into place.

It's insane for anyone to suggest that the centre backs that we currently have will be the ones that feature on day one of the new season.

There's no way that Levy (selling Kane or not) will not strengthen the one area of the pitch that is the weakest.

No fucking way.
 
Who's to say that over the next ten to twelve days player movement both on and out won't increase?

I said before that the Kane issue once resolved will see all the pieces fall into place.

It's insane for anyone to suggest that the centre backs that we currently have will be the ones that feature on day one of the new season.

There's no way that Levy (selling Kane or not) will not strengthen the one area of the pitch that is the weakest.

No fucking way.

I admire your faith in Daniel Levy , although misplaced, it's refreshing
 
Who's to say that over the next ten to twelve days player movement both on and out won't increase?

I said before that the Kane issue once resolved will see all the pieces fall into place.

It's insane for anyone to suggest that the centre backs that we currently have will be the ones that feature on day one of the new season.

There's no way that Levy (selling Kane or not) will not strengthen the one area of the pitch that is the weakest.

No fucking way.
They need to get moving next week.

I do believe Levy will sign a CB.

Will there be budget for a CB that is a genuine upgrade? If we sell Kane, yes. If we don’t, less sure.

And tbh we need 2
 
The stadium certainly explains why we had lower net spend before 2019 than after 2019. I'm not denying that's a key factor.

A "factor" to what tho'.... Honestly.... I don't even know what you've being trying to argue against me over today?

Re-cap.... A claim was made about the scum's recent spending.... I disputed it.... And suitably evidenced that it was not true.

However, I'd make two points:
1. The fact that our net spend was so much lower than our rivals from 2014-2019 means that the 2019 cut off is misleading when used as a comparator with other clubs, for reasons I've explained.

What you haven't explained is where you would draw a cut off instead and what makes that appropriate. The further you go back, the bigger the financial gap between us and the rest of the so-called top 6. (That was the point of the stadium; to help boost our spending power.)

....And why is 2014 suddenly an appropriate marker point?

In the most basic terms; if you wanna look past the cost of the stadium build then you can chuck another 500m in the trf kitty between 14-19 (half of which period was pre-Neymar/Mbappe 2017 market inflation).

2. Was the low net spend 2014-2019 only due to stadium costs? It was the lowest in the PL in this time period.

......Is that even true? ....According to what criteria? ....According to what source?

I've been good enough to provide scrutinise-able data. It's not fitting that you'd require me to swallow unsubstantiated counter-claims on face value... Esp. given how routinely false they (in general) transpire to be.

With all respect to you individually; I'm not sure I really care so don't but a gut replying on my account.... Anything that does get credibly established with genuine data just gets thrown into the bin in favour of emotion almost immediately anyway.......

- "Kronke has been spending £200m per season" - Myth busted.
- "Arse have been vastly outspending us on wages" - Myth busted.
- When Spurs spend Bale money "Net spend is what matters"; yet when Arse spend Gross is king.
- Last year: "It's cheating to count Romero, Kulu & Porro" cos they've not been finalised yet / This year: "It's cheating to count Kulu & Porro cos they were signed last year. Ditto Romero the year before.

It's boring as fuck.

We're not big spenders, but equally we're not vastly outspent by the teams in our 'wealth bracket' either.... Have we been poor operators in the transfer market since our spending levels rose back up and undone much of the on-field progress we made under Poch..? Sure..... If one wishes to attribute that solely to poor strategy from the top; so be it cos yeh, ultimately anyone that has contributed to that floundering was ultimately hired by Levy at some point.

Bollocks to much of the rest of the fake-news-frenzy and anger-porn that gets flung about here on a daily basis tho'.
 
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Who's to say that over the next ten to twelve days player movement both on and out won't increase?

I said before that the Kane issue once resolved will see all the pieces fall into place.

It's insane for anyone to suggest that the centre backs that we currently have will be the ones that feature on day one of the new season.

There's no way that Levy (selling Kane or not) will not strengthen the one area of the pitch that is the weakest.

No fucking way.
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