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Not true, I was ENIC in for years and since the summer 2021 managerial farce I've been ENIC out. When new information and experiences people do change their perceptions. Well, the smart ones anyway!
Well, I did say "most"Not true, I was ENIC in for years and since the summer 2021 managerial farce I've been ENIC out. When new information and experiences people do change their perceptions. Well, the smart ones anyway!
There’s no false equivalence between the two sides.
I don’t remember ENIC In posters making fun of facts. Or hurling anywhere near the amount of abuse. Or being as reluctant to acknowledge good points against their argument.
That last one is key. I don’t know a single ENIC in poster who hasn’t clearly stated criticisms of ENIC. On the other side, multiple posters have been pressed to explain the good and they make sarcastic comments about the food being better in the new stadium. One side is far more balanced than the other.
Finally, on the intelligence point, if we put in place a « your » index … the number of posters who don’t know the contraction of « you are »… then ENIC OUT would be a long way ahead.
LOL the past 2-3 pages alone are basically ENIC in posters calling ENIC out poters idiots. Calling people stupid is abusive. There was also an ENIC in posters who said ENIC out posters were "special needs" and one of your lot only the other day was in another thread coming up with one of the worst comments I've seen on here.
John Thomas has been called a "cunt" more times than I care to remember too. So yes, lots of abuse from your side, whether you want to see it or not.
It's 85% of people that have voted, not 85% of the whole forum.
If the whole forum voted, I'd imagine it would be higher.
Top post.
True, and he was rightly called out for it by me and numerous Enic out posters.
A few days later I was called a "div" (short for "special needs individual") and there wasn't a peep from the Enic out posters.
On the contrary one Enic out poster even tried to argue that this was an acceptable insult.
And another thought it was "funny"
I see one example of that. Guido on 1242.
There are definitely excesses that can’t be excused.
And there is also a definite difference in the reasonableness (extent to which people are amenable to reason) on both sides.
And both sides are not homogenous groups. There is clear variation.
John Thomas however is the Nigel Farage of the forum - his only purpose is to stir up emotions around ENIC, adding no serious value to the forum. I wouldn’t call him a cunt but I also wouldn’t object.
They have one of these concerts on the day of the FA Cup final.
What happens if, God willing, we get to the final and win it? “Sorry lads, can’t have a homecoming near the stadium, Beyoncé’s doing a gig.”
Parasites.
Is that what happens the night of an FA cup win? Fans have a « homecoming » near the stadium?
Will
Deuterz
be homecoming queen?
Very well put and pretty much where I come from.
To me, however, too much focus is put on non football events - NFL. Boxing, Lady fucking Gaga etc and whilst I can see that all these generate income, I want more of that income put into the football side of things on the pitch.
There aren't only 2 extremes to the ENIC argument, The ENIC in and ENIC out rivalry has been magnified particularly on social media because people have either been pushed or are putting themselves into a bracket to either defend and or attack the club purely on current emotion and feeling at the time.
The ENIC out thing is purely a meme and a movement for people to get their frustrations across at the board, the fact that only a handful of people turn up to protests tells you everything when the vast majority of people on social media claim to be ENIC out but in reality they are just over emotional beings who react in the moment when we are going through a bad period - It was the exact same thing with Woolwich when it Was Wenger In/Out.
There's only a few staunch ENIC outers who are true to their word and don't flip flop on the board when the club are doing good things. I don't even think that there's that many ENIC in'ers, I think there's a load of fans who sit on the fence who don't over react at every given opportunity, I think there's a load of fans who would rather the better the devil they knew, I think there's a load of fans who think ENIC have taken as far as they can but are more than respectable to the position they have put the club in (me for example)
The ENIC out thing is purely a meme and a movement for people to get their frustrations across at the board, the fact that only a handful of people turn up to protests tells you everything when the vast majority of people on social media claim to be ENIC out but in reality they are just over emotional beings who react in the moment when we are going through a bad period - It was the exact same thing with Woolwich when it Was Wenger In/Out.
There's only a few staunch ENIC outers who are true to their word and don't flip flop on the board when the club are doing good things. I don't even think that there's that many ENIC in'ers, I think there's a load of fans who sit on the fence who don't over react at every given opportunity, I think there's a load of fans who would rather the better the devil they knew, I think there's a load of fans who think ENIC have taken as far as they can but are more than respectable to the position they have put the club in (me for example)
You know what they can have 50 Lady Gaga concerts at the new WHL if I can begin to see a better vision how we operate as a football team. We are tacticians but we need to be strategists more. If that can happen we can build towards something.
I mean you can be short term like Chelsea were but that requires serious spending which we ain’t capable of so we need to have a longer clearer plan.
A lack of football direction, I can concede that’s one way to look at things.
However, it could be argued we do / did have a plan. Let’s get Levy away from football matters, so we signed a top DoF. The stadium revenue has really started to kick in, so get the chequebook manager in and back him.
But the devil then shit in our kettle and we have issues with both Paratici and Conte. Could we have foreseen these happening? Possibly.
I’d imagine the talks behind the scenes with Conte are going along the lines of “if you commit to stay, we will back you in the summer, but not knowing your plans, we are fucked if we were going to spend shitloads in January”.
Alternatively, we could just be sitting around looking confused. I’d bet on the first possibility.
Fair enough, but if your intention is to sign conte and give him the backing he needs, but then you are unwilling to invest at the levels needed because of his shorter term contract isn’t that part of the reason people think we don’t have a consistent strategy?
Maybe Conte didn’t want a longer contract from the start but if the backing was the original intention, then you sign him on a longer contract and do the spend at the levels expected from him.
Where would we bring the trophy then? Stratford?Is that what happens the night of an FA cup win? Fans have a « homecoming » near the stadium?
Will