Jan Vertonghen

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Probably just had a wank week in training. It happens.

No one should be a guaranteed starter just because they've been here longer than most people. If it was that, let's hope it makes him get back to his best.

Let's be honest, he's been far from his best for a while. And playing Sanchez/Toby yesterday were more than fine.

Agreed.

I think Vertonghen has been superb, especially 2 seasons ago but like nearly all our team he was comparatively poor last time round. Dropping him for whatever reason is what managers are paid to do and they live and die by those decisions.

More worryingly is that we have both Vertonghen and Alderweireld in the final year of their contracts and no centre half who is making that position unequivocally theirs.

It needs fixing but sentiment should not get in the way of the bigger picture.
 
Sanchez screams insecurity. There is no way he's ever gonna be on Jan level.

If we need to rotate throughout the season to keep players fresh, which ultimately we will need to, especially with ageing CBs whose contracts are expiring then surely home games like the one against Villa yesterday are the ones to do it in.

Integrating Sanchez into the first team will be vital for next season with one or both of Toby and Jan gone and if we are to get the most out of our squad and use it across a season, the likes of Sanchez, KWP & possibly Skipp etc being utilised in games like Villa at home is better than up at Old Trafford etc.

In the end the team Pochettino selected collectively won by a two goal margin. No damage came from the decisions he made, whatever the reasons behind making them were so there's nothing to be concerned with.

Is there a chance Poch sees the Man City game being more necessary for a fully fit and fresh Vertonghen instead of Villa at home? Time will tell and we'll possibly see come next Saturday.
 
Yeah, if he was 20 I would say he gas time. He has been here for 3 seasons and I don't see progression, sorry.
2 seasons, just starting his third. 1st season was great, 2nd not so much as he was in and out of the team and constantly playing with different partners. You don't often get the finished article at centre back by the age of 23. He needs games and time, sadly which he won't get if we have fans jumping all over his back.
 
If we need to rotate throughout the season to keep players fresh, which ultimately we will need to, especially with ageing CBs whose contracts are expiring then surely home games like the one against Villa yesterday are the ones to do it in.

Nailed it.
The same applies to Eriksen IMO.
If they're not going to sign new contracts, then they are going to be rotated/dropped all season long.
I can see a Toby/Jan combination against the top teams but not against the rest.
 
I honestly don't see what the fuss is about. We should have a strong enough squad that we can give players like Jan a rest against teams like Villa, especially as we play City next where playing our strongest team is crucial.
 
Probably just had a wank week in training. It happens.

No one should be a guaranteed starter just because they've been here longer than most people. If it was that, let's hope it makes him get back to his best.

Let's be honest, he's been far from his best for a while. And playing Sanchez/Toby yesterday were more than fine.

I thought Sánchez was poor yesterday

Early days I know but not been impressed with him so far
 
This has to be the reason really.

Surely he must be fully fit and refreshed for the first two games of the season??

Poch can be ruthless so I think he was just put in his place but hope he’s back next weekend
 
I thought Sánchez was poor yesterday

Early days I know but not been impressed with him so far

Personally don't think he was any worse than Alderweireld yesterday. None of our defenders were particularly poor. Rose falling asleep for their goal aside.
 
2 seasons, just starting his third. 1st season was great, 2nd not so much as he was in and out of the team and constantly playing with different partners. You don't often get the finished article at centre back by the age of 23. He needs games and time, sadly which he won't get if we have fans jumping all over his back.
Centre backs mature at a different rate than attacking players. People tend to forget this. Toby only really became great at 26-27. Jan and VVD as well. You could see the makings of a top notch CB in them before that. But they only really put it together once they had enough experience. The same will most likely apply to Sanchez.
 
Personally don't think he was any worse than Alderweireld yesterday. None of our defenders were particularly poor. Rose falling asleep for their goal aside.

Tbf our defence didn’t have a lot to do but we could still have quite easily gone two behind

They’ll be tested next week though
 
Tbf our defence didn’t have a lot to do but we could still have quite easily gone two behind

They’ll be tested next week though

Very much so.

Big call for Pochettino on what to do. I'd personally either go with the exact same back four we just saw for some consistency or potentially go 3 at the back, introduce Vertonghen and push Rose and KWP high up.
 
We have to evolve our defense more to identify or encourage more diversity in our players to compete for the title, any further players needed can be picked up in the next transfer window.
 
Very much so.

Big call for Pochettino on what to do. I'd personally either go with the exact same back four we just saw for some consistency or potentially go 3 at the back, introduce Vertonghen and push Rose and KWP high up.

Do you think 3 at the back will work against Shitty?

If we play the first half like yesterday we will get annihilated
 
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