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Well if you choose to believe in falsehood and fantasy’s good for you.

Tell me this if you went onto a Leicester forum and this debate was being had which side would you believe to be the deluded?

You can be positive about the club without concocting endless comfort narratives that are not rooted in reality.

You may see this as negativity I see it as a sign of maturity and honesty.

We have a world class training complex, it's a good thing, it means players arriving to the training every day of their working life aren't going to a poxy portacabin every day. It's not even about attracting players, it's retention, a player is more inclined to be happy here...

Waits for 'but Eriksen & Alderweireld are still out, what good has the complex done there?' answer, the training complex is a reason to stay and not the sole one. Just because players leave or arrive it doesn't make the facility a bad idea.

It's not fantasy or delusion to say we have a facility to be proud of.
 
And? Did you think it would build itself?
You are trying to make a point on Training Grounds with one that is over a year away from being built.

People are saying that it's good that players do their work at top facilities, that they will enjoy working at them and that they stand to improve their development as players with such facilities at their disposal. And even if you were a seasoned pro because they can use the facilities to recover from sessions (seen by many Coaches as more important than doing the actual training) that they are well prepared for the next game, ergo in their best shape to compete. And in addition that those that are making their minds up on what club to join that it plays a part in their decision making on whether to join.

You say that is bollocks and to prove your point you post architect drawings of a training ground that is a long way from even being completed. What point are you trying to counter with Readings training ground which isn't built?
 
We have a world class training complex, it's a good thing, it means players arriving to the training every day of their working life aren't going to a poxy portacabin every day. It's not even about attracting players, it's retention, a player is more inclined to be happy here...

Waits for 'but Eriksen & Alderweireld are still out, what good has the complex done there?' answer, the training complex is a reason to stay and not the sole one. Just because players leave or arrive it doesn't make the facility a bad idea.

It's not fantasy or delusion to say we have a facility to be proud of.

Where have I said that having Hotspur Way is a bad thing - that wasn’t required?

The point is it’s significance - let’s not talk about us because clearly some do not the maturity for that.

Take Leicester for example - their complex will be one of the best in the world - I’m sure their players will love training there and prefer it their old one. Great.

Does it enhance their club in any meaningful way? No - it’s training complex and they will still be Leicester City. They are not going to suddenly attract a different calibre of player than before. A training complex will never enable a club to do that and is anyone’s m perception of Leicester going to change on here because of it?. It’s not and everyone here knows that.

So when we apply such criteria to other clubs can some find it so difficult to apply to their own?
 
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You are trying to make a point on Training Grounds with one that is over a year away from being built.

People are saying that it's good that players do their work at top facilities, that they will enjoy working at them and that they stand to improve their development as players with such facilities at their disposal. And even if you were a seasoned pro because they can use the facilities to recover from sessions (seen by many Coaches as more important than doing the actual training) that they are well prepared for the next game, ergo in their best shape to compete. And in addition that those that are making their minds up on what club to join that it plays a part in their decision making on whether to join.

You say that is bollocks and to prove your point you post architect drawings of a training ground that is a long way from even being completed. What point are you trying to counter with Readings training ground which isn't built?

The fact that it’s a year away from construction is utterly irrelevant to the discussion and I like how over a year is a long way now .

Our training complex is being positioned as a USP by some - that this is somehow unique to us. There are already a number of clubs with excellent training facilities and many more redeveloping. It’s not a major attraction for any club and never will be.

And It can’t be be a USP for us when mid table clubs like Leicester are building similar complexes and even relegation threatened Championship clubs like Reading are building complexes like that. This is the standard now.

And even it wasn’t - it still wouldn't provide any discernible enhancement. It’s not going to be a major item on the agenda for a player - it’s about the salary and the talent of the team and the capacity to win silverware. Ndoumble didn’t join us because of Hotspur Way - Lyon have good training facilities and a brand new state of the art stadium. It’s all about the money and a clubs capacity to compete.
 
And here comes ArtyB with nothing but ivitriol.

Go on I dare you to counter the point being discussed or are you too much of coward?
Couldn't be arsed to be honest, I haven't even read any of the other posts, you have whatever view you have and when you get stuck you just move the goalposts, pointless even engaging with you...
 
Where have I said that having Hotspur Way is a bad thing - that wasn’t required?

The point is it’s significance - let’s not talk about us because clearly some do not the maturity for that.

Take Leicester for example - their complex will be one of the best in the world - I’m sure their players will love training there and prefer it their old one. Great.

Does it enhance their club in any meaningful way? No - it’s training complex and they will still be Leicester City. They are not going to suddenly attract a different calibre of player than before. A training complex will never enable a club to do and is a anyones perception of Leicester going to change on here. It’s not and everyone here knows that.

So when we apply such criteria to other clubs can some find it so difficult to apply to their own?

You are so wide of the mark it's unbelievable .... this isn't even complicated ...

In life people spend more time at work than doing anything else other than sleeping ... the working environment gets more importation as your salary goes up ... low paid employees will put up with a shit work place just to get paid, managers want an office, directors want a window and a secretary, owners want the private jet etc

Footballers are at the top of the tree, they don't want for anything, if they're going to spend 30 hours a week training they want that training facility to be the best, have the best equipment, best pool, best medical, best lounges, best wi-fi .... best feckin' everything ... and that's what Hotspur Way provides ...

Training ground four days a week is way more important than stadium for 90 minutes once a fortnight.

Hodgson, England in 2016 "These facilities are at a whole new level"
Brazil 2018 "The hotel, player facilities, and training ground are the finest now in Europe"

Poch "It is vital to give the players happiness when the are working, to attract the best players you need to offer this, we have the best chance to do that with this training ground"

So they all seem fairly on board with Hotspur Way ... what's your problem?
 
You are so wide of the mark it's unbelievable .... this isn't even complicated ...

In life people spend more time at work than doing anything else other than sleeping ... the working environment gets more importation as your salary goes up ... low paid employees will put up with a shit work place just to get paid, managers want an office, directors want a window and a secretary, owners want the private jet etc

Footballers are at the top of the tree, they don't want for anything, if they're going to spend 30 hours a week training they want that training facility to be the best, have the best equipment, best pool, best medical, best lounges, best wi-fi .... best feckin' everything ... and that's what Hotspur Way provides ...

Training ground four days a week is way more important than stadium for 90 minutes once a fortnight.

Hodgson, England in 2016 "These facilities are at a whole new level"
Brazil 2018 "The hotel, player facilities, and training ground are the finest now in Europe"

Poch "It is vital to give the players happiness when the are working, to attract the best players you need to offer this, we have the best chance to do that with this training ground"

So they all seem fairly on board with Hotspur Way ... what's your problem?


What you do honestly expect to them to say when asked about this? Did you honestly believe Hodgson believed that Hotspur Way at a whole new level when the England national team had St George’s Park?

And again this isn’t about the redevelopment - we needed a new training ground, Hotspur Way is a fantastic complex. That was never being disputed.

Again this is about it enhancing the clubs status in any discernible way. That it would influence new signings. It won’t contracts and teams do that. Take us out of this and if a Leicester supporter tried to claim that their new complex will take them to the next level and enhanced their future signings what would you say.

It’s make a mockery of any such suggestion when teams like Reading are being facilities like that.

Hotspur Way is a fantastic training facility that the club needed. That’s it - it doesn’t need to be presented as something that it is not.
 
Clearly the training facilities will be a consideration. Players these days expect the best. That's why clubs employ people to take players shopping.

That's why, if Gary Neville was to be believed, player liaison officers will change lightbulbs fro some players.

That's why Brasil hired our facilities for a game in Liverpool rather than Liverpool's, or Everton's. That's why the women's world champions used our facilities pre world cup, rather than finding some in France. Cos seem to be considered the best available.

Money matters too of course, and probably matters more... but then again, I doubt that every player we nabbed that Liverpool wanted in the 'get your own scouts' summer was being offered a higher salary by us. More likely the other way round.

Money, facilities, the brand, the coach, even if they have a mate there all count.(remember the pics from when we signed eriksen, him being shown round by vertonghen?), How much the agent gets under the table.

All these things come into. What the priority order is depends on the player, and it ain't black and white.
 
The fact that it’s a year away from construction is utterly irrelevant to the discussion and I like how over a year is a long way now .

Our training complex is being positioned as a USP by some - that this is somehow unique to us. There are already a number of clubs with excellent training facilities and many more redeveloping. It’s not a major attraction for any club and never will be.

And It can’t be be a USP for us when mid table clubs like Leicester are building similar complexes and even relegation threatened Championship clubs like Reading are building complexes like that. This is the standard now.

And even it wasn’t - it still wouldn't provide any discernible enhancement. It’s not going to be a major item on the agenda for a player - it’s about the salary and the talent of the team and the capacity to win silverware. Ndoumble didn’t join us because of Hotspur Way - Lyon have good training facilities and a brand new state of the art stadium. It’s all about the money and a clubs capacity to compete.
Of fucking course the contract is the biggest driver absolutely no one has said it isn’t.

What is being said by some is that the Training Ground plays a part in the decision for some players.

One simplistic way to look at it is if you were a player that has been offered the same contract say between us or Woolwich what also helps make up the players mind. Where he spends 90% of his time might have some weight to making his mind up. I believe ONLY us and City have facilities where you can sleep at in England (Utd have pods). This could be seen as significant, but I doubt it is to an 18yr old but the fact it’s thier, the fact it’s state of the art and only exists at City (an other Ellite club) just acts as validation of the Club. Go to a Porsche showroom and then to a Vauxhall showroom, there is a difference, it’s part of the validation of why you are paying ten times the cost. Same goes for most things, a Gucci store is different to TK Max.

Then to a serious sportsman, an elite athlete who wants to have the support of the best facilities, cryogenic chambers, rehab pools, gyms etc. Leicester have both already, but their cryogenic chambers are in a portacabin in thier staff car park, ours are purpose built. It’s a statement, everything is just better. It’s just well thought out, professional, it transmits excellence, perfection.

Sports performance has been reduced to marginal gains, focusing on the minute detail, from the type of washing powder used to clean the kit and the bed sheets, to where the food is grown and sourced for the canteen. It all adds up!! Whether it’s a actual or placebo, physical or mental, the difference is felt and a feeling of reassurance has been established, something concrete to back up the “spin”.

If Readings hasn’t been built yet then it can’t be felt, as it doesn’t exist. Players are coming to us and not Utd, not PSG right now, they absolutely didn’t join because of our Training Ground but it would have been in part. A good contract, a massive stadium, a state of the art Training Ground, a world class manager. It’s a compelling reason to join. It’s not pie in the sky bullshit either, they exist and are utilized. Ellite or wanna be Ellite athletes working for a club with Ellite facilities both aiming to become the Ellite team. One begets the other.
 
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What you do honestly expect to them to say when asked about this? Did you honestly believe Hodgson believed that Hotspur Way at a whole new level when the England national team had St George’s Park?

And again this isn’t about the redevelopment - we needed a new training ground, Hotspur Way is a fantastic complex. That was never being disputed.

Again this is about it enhancing the clubs status in any discernible way. That it would influence new signings. It won’t contracts and teams do that. Take us out of this and if a Leicester supporter tried to claim that their new complex will take them to the next level and enhanced their future signings what would you say.

It’s make a mockery of any such suggestion when teams like Reading are being facilities like that.

Hotspur Way is a fantastic training facility that the club needed. That’s it - it doesn’t need to be presented as something that it is not.

I disagree with 90% of that ... not going to bother to repeat why as you clearly never read the first post ... might I suggest you go and look at what the players say about training facilities, that's what really matters ... or are they all lying just like Hodgson?

Man City have more money than god, clearly by your logic they could train in Salisbury's car park as the players wouldn't care ... yet they have spent over 200 million on the City Football Academy now I wonder why they did that?
 
Of fucking course the contract is the biggest driver absolutely no one has said it isn’t.

What is being said by some is that the Training Ground plays a part in the decision for some players.

One simplistic way to look at it is if you were a player that has been offered the same contract say between us or Woolwich what also helps make up the players mind. Where he spends 90% of his time might have some weight to making his mind up. I believe ONLY us and City have facilities where you can sleep at in England (Utd have pods). This could be seen as significant, but I doubt it is to an 18yr old but the fact it’s thier, the fact it’s state of the art and only exists at City (an other Ellite club) just acts as validation of the Club. Go to a Porsche showroom and then to a Vauxhall showroom, there is a difference, it’s part of the validation of why you are paying ten times the cost. Same goes for most things, a Gucci store is different to TK Max.

Then to a serious sportsman, an elite athlete who wants to have the support of the best facilities, cryogenic chambers, rehab pools, gyms etc. Leicester have both already, but their cryogenic chambers are in a portacabin in thier staff car park, ours are purpose built. It’s a statement, everything is just better. It’s just well thought out, professional, it transmits excellence, perfection.

Sports performance has been reduced to marginal gains, focusing on the minute detail, from the type of washing powder used to clean the kit and the bed sheets, to where the food is grown and sourced for the canteen. It all adds up!! Whether it’s a actual or placebo, physical or mental, the difference is felt and a feeling of reassurance has been established, something concrete to back up the “spin”.

If Readings hasn’t been built yet then it can’t be felt, as it doesn’t exist. Players are coming to us and not Utd, not PSG right now, they absolutely didn’t join because of our Training Ground but it would have been in part. A good contract, a massive stadium, a state of the art Training Ground, a world class manager. It’s a compelling reason to join. It’s not pie in the sky bullshit either, they exist and are utilized. Ellite or wanna be Ellite athletes working for a club similar N’Golo to become Ellite.


The point being discussed was driven by the suggestion that this is going to massively enhance our status.

It hasn’t and is barely being discussed outside of our club. It’s a training complex that is it. And when Championship clubs are building complexes ( again the fact that it is still being constructed is irrelevant) like that it’s never going to be a USP for us - that’s the standard now. The top 6 all. have very good facilities - even Everton have finch farm. It’s being presented that we have a world class training complex whilst everyone else has ports cabins and muddy pitch.

And it’s not a major driver behind player decisions - the vast majority of transfer activity occurs in the final weeks of the window. Do you honestly believe that footballers will have the capacity to visit each respective clubs training ground when preseason is occurring ?

Do you think VDV cared much when he turned up at Spurs Lodge when signed for us in the final stages of the window when he had been used to Real Madrid’s facilities. Of course he didn’t - you only have to see how he speaks about us to see it had no bearing on his time at the club.

And Hotspur Way and no bearing on William who was there before going to Chelsea ( despite Cobum being inferior) when he found out about their interest.

I’m not even going to get involved with that United PSG comment because that’s another clear sign of someone distorting reality to create another comfort narrative for themselves.
 
I disagree with 90% of that ... not going to bother to repeat why as you clearly never read the first post ... might I suggest you go and look at what the players say about training facilities, that's what really matters ... or are they all lying just like Hodgson?

Man City have more money than god, clearly by your logic they could train in Salisbury's car park as the players wouldn't care ... yet they have spent over 200 million on the City Football Academy now I wonder why they did that?

Clearly you are not reading is being discussed here.

I’ll ask you again is Leicester’s new training complex which will be on a par with ours going to enhance their status in the game? Will they attract a higher calibre of players going forward because of it ? Are opposing clubs and supporters going to stand up and take notice of them now? It’s must do right because it’s going to be an excellent facility - no doubt gathering many favourable comments from players?

Again Hotspur Way was needed, it is an excellent facility but it simply does not extend to anything beyond that. It’s the hypocrisy is what grates - had it been Leicester supporters trying to make a claim that it massively enhances their status they would been mocked on here but when it is us - absolutely does do that! They level of self congratulation is quite something.

As for City - well given that they are owned by a Sovereign Wealth Fund and that the whole venture is just marketing exercise It doesn’t surprise me the sums they spend.
 
The point being discussed was driven by the suggestion that this is going to massively enhance our status.

It hasn’t and is barely being discussed outside of our club. It’s a training complex that is it. And when Championship clubs are building complexes ( again the fact that it is still being constructed is irrelevant) like that it’s never going to be a USP for us - that’s the standard now. The top 6 all. have very good facilities - even Everton have finch farm. It’s being presented that we have a world class training complex whilst everyone else has ports cabins and muddy pitch.

And it’s not a major driver behind player decisions - the vast majority of transfer activity occurs in the final weeks of the window. Do you honestly believe that footballers will have the capacity to visit each respective clubs training ground when preseason is occurring ?

Do you think VDV cared much when he turned up at Spurs Lodge when signed for us in the final stages of the window when he had been used to Real Madrid’s facilities. Of course he didn’t - you only have to see how he speaks about us to see it had no bearing on his time at the club.

And Hotspur Way and no bearing on William who was there before going to Chelsea ( despite Cobum being inferior) when he found out about their interest.

I’m not even going to get involved with that United PSG comment because that’s another clear sign of someone distorting reality to create another comfort narrative for themselves.
Well, I'm NOT talking about our status being massively enhanced by the Training Ground. I stating that it is vital to our position of a team that is trying to break into the elite group of clubs. You can't be an elite club if you don't have an elite training ground, you can't call yourself an elite club if you don't have an elite Stadium, you can't call yourself elite if you don't have elite squad, elite manager.

You say no one is talking about Hotspur Way!! That actually is utter bollocks, it's spoken about all the time within the media, and now the media are talking about the stadium too! Go onto rival fans forums and many of them are talking about our facilities with envy, some even have dedicated threads, just as they do on the Stadium too!

You also say all the top 6 have a great training ground, of course, they fucking do, that's the point, we do now! We've joined them and gone past them, ours is better. Does this enable us to sign a player? NO!! Does it demonstrate that we are a serious club? Absolutely it fucking does, it's real, it's not an architect drawing or a Club Chairmans fantasy?

Fucking Hell you don't half think in straight lines. I don't think you read what I wrote, only picked out the bits you want to fight with, missing out the ones that clearly state that they DON'T sign because of the Training Ground. Let's face it you are here only to exist to create a row.

1. Players sign because of the contract offered to them
2. Players want to go to the best club they possibly can. This is subjective based on the player's age, what playing time they think they can achieve, where they are at in their careers (on the way up, at their peak, on the way down - VDV was on the way down!!). Join a prestige Club is different than "best" club too but may or may not have an effect on their decision and how it affects their CV.
3. All the top clubs have great Training Grounds - Ours enables us to compete with them. I guarantee you if we have a shit one we wouldn't be competing with those that do (we never have before is my evidence to this). In fact, ALL the Clubs with great training Grunds also promote the fuck out of them too, just as we are. It's an arms race, all clubs trying to proport they are the best, or they have the best. Tottenham is now in this arms race, this big swinging dick race.
4. You've completely ignored our marginal gains that the Training Ground presents to those elite athletes looking for that edge. This is real.
5. It's not only players that this impacts on but the staff that work there, the best facilities will attract the best coaches, best medical staff. There were a couple of jobs posted on the OS for roles at The Lodge, they were looking for people who have had experience in working at a Top Hotel, they want the best in the business to provide those staying the best support and attention.
6. You say it does affect a players decision, yet Spurs where they can try to get the player to visit the site before they sign. We did this with Son, Ndombele recently, others too. Why not meet them in a hotel? Why not us fly out to met them in their country? Was it the reason they signed for us? NO!!!! Did it impress them, probably? Also, remember we don't have the greatest of rep in Europe, we haven't been in CL up until recently, we aren't an established big roller in Europe, maybe players have preconceived ideas of what we are? Maybe they think we are 3rd or 4th tier football club with facilities to match? Maybe those preconceived ideas vanish when they get to see what we have. Just makes them "feel" better, "feel" good about their decision.

(Willian had NO say in what club he wanted to join, this decision was made for him and completely out of his control, he joined Chelsea because they took Eto, then the Worlds highest-paid player in at the time of the books of the club where the owner was getting out). BTW Cobham isn't inferior, it doesn't possess a lodge but everything else is pretty much the same as ours, it's elite, so even if this was important to him he wasn't going to inferior facilities, so I simply don't get your argument here, we have elite facilities and they have elite facilities).

You don't want to get involved in us competing with PSG and Utd and getting the player to come here instead of them, but introduce Willian to make a comment!! Stop trying to "win" agreements by typing shit. It's OK to admit that you are guessing with what you say and that maybe things are simply not black and white. That there is a reason why football clubs are building better and better facilities for a reason other than ROI.

It's a part of the pitch, it's part of the validation, it's part of the dick measuring. It's NOT the sole reason, but in many cases, neither is the contract, just ask our players who could all double their contracts elsewhere.
 
Well, I'm NOT talking about our status being massively enhanced by the Training Ground.

Good for you but you might want to actually read what was being discussed before wading into a discussion centering on our training complex enhancing our status in the game.

I stating that it is vital to our position of a team that is trying to break into the elite group of clubs. You can't be an elite club if you don't have an elite training ground, you can't call yourself an elite club if you don't have an elite Stadium, you can't call yourself elite if you don't have elite squad, elite manager.

The elite clubs are determined by revenue - it's the club financial capacity that determines it's position in the games hierarchy. It's that capacity which enables a club to acquire elite managers and elite players rather than having to develop them like we do. Do you honestly believe that Man City were not an elite club prior to their training ground redevelopment? That PSG are not an elite club because they play at the Parc des Princes and currently have their old training ground? You still have this warped belief that our club can move into the elite when despite its ground redevelopment and added revenue it still trails massively those clubs - It's pure wish thinking bordering on delusion.


You say no one is talking about Hotspur Way!! That actually is utter bollocks, it's spoken about all the time within the media, and now the media are talking about the stadium too! Go onto rival fans forums and many of them are talking about our facilities with envy, some even have dedicated threads, just as they do on the Stadium too!


Seriously just what planet do you live on? The media are always talking about a 7 year old training complex are they? Really - I must have missed that myself. It generated a lot of attention at the time much like Leicester's will and then it will be forgotten about because absolutely no one cares about training complexes. I do frequently go on other clubs forums to see what they are saying about their own and ours and no is talking about the training complex ( I very much doubt you go outside your Twitter echo chamber). The stadium gained traction for obvious reason but virtually no one in other supporter bases is talking about our training complex. Much like outside of this thread no one is talking about Leicester's new complex or actually really cares.


You also say all the top 6 have a great training ground, of course, they fucking do, that's the point, we do now! We've joined them and gone past them, ours is better. Does this enable us to sign a player? NO!! Does it demonstrate that we are a serious club? Absolutely it fucking does, it's real, it's not an architect drawing or a Club Chairmans fantasy?

Spurs Lodge was never a poor training complex - it was redeveloped back in '97 if I recall correctly so lets not pretend we had terrible facilities. And the second sentence is really telling - that is what this is really all about , we have a superior training facility to United, Woolwich, Chelsea and Liverpool and that is why what to elevate in such a way. And to do so is absolutely absurd because no really actually cares and to do such a thing actually has the reverse effect - it makes us look small. At one point our complex was an a chairman's fantasy and then architect's drawing - that the process that is undertaken but as with Lecicester it's progressed on from that as work has started on the site.

All the top clubs have great Training Grounds - Ours enables us to compete with them. I guarantee you if we have a shit one we wouldn't be competing with those that do (we never have before is my evidence to this). In fact, ALL the Clubs with great training Grunds also promote the fuck out of them too, just as we are. It's an arms race, all clubs trying to proport they are the best, or they have the best. Tottenham is now in this arms race, this big swinging dick race.

That is one of the most ridiculous things I have read on here - having a great training complex enables us to compete with the elite clubs? I take it once Leicester have theirs completed they will be able to compete as well? I find the notion that we wouldn't be competing without Hotspur Way despite having this group of players absolutely hilarious. Tell me how did Spurs finish in the top 4 twice and reach the CL quarter final in it's first campaign being at Spurs Lodge?

(Willian had NO say in what club he wanted to join, this decision was made for him and completely out of his control, he joined Chelsea because they took Eto, then the Worlds highest-paid player in at the time of the books of the club where the owner was getting out). BTW Cobham isn't inferior, it doesn't possess a lodge but everything else is pretty much the same as ours, it's elite, so even if this was important to him he wasn't going to inferior facilities, so I simply don't get your argument here, we have elite facilities and they have elite facilities).

Oh really - Willian had no say did he? Well lets look at what he to say on the matter.

Willian, 29, now claims it was always his intention to move to the Blues, but says Tottenham didn't make it easy. Speaking to Brazil TV show Resenha, Willian said:
" You know my objective was to go to Chelsea, but since Chelsea don’t want, then we’re going to Tottenham. I said 'oh, I’m going to sign with Tottenham, anyway, there’s no other option'. "
Willian continued: "Then we’re going in the van, on the way, get to the training centre, Kia, my agent, is already down there, waiting. I thought it was weird, he was already at the door. Then I got out of the van, he said, ‘we have problems’. I said ‘oh, what happened?’ Then he ‘Chelsea made an offer’. I said, ‘So make do, I’ll get back in the van, you’ll make do and I’ll go to Chelsea, I will not sign with Tottenham.

Doesn't really sound like someone who was forced to join Chelsea against his will or that he had no say in the matter does it? Seriously you really have to stop presenting such things as factual statements. You did this will Cortese and Pochettino and I embarrassed you with direct quotes from Pochettinho which showed that you were making it up and now you doing it again with some fanciful story about Willian.
As for Corbum ours is superior - it was built nearly 6 years later and cost more - the point is that it didn't have any bearing on Willian - what did was their ability to pay higher wages and the constant stream of success.

You don't want to get involved in us competing with PSG and Utd and getting the player to come here instead of them, but introduce Willian to make a comment!! Stop trying to "win" agreements by typing shit. It's OK to admit that you are guessing with what you say and that maybe things are simply not black and white. That there is a reason why football clubs are building better and better facilities for a reason other than ROI.

It's a part of the pitch, it's part of the validation, it's part of the dick measuring. It's NOT the sole reason, but in many cases, neither is the contract, just ask our players who could all double their contracts elsewhere.

You don't get do you? The only contest that actually matters is revenue because that is what defines an elite club - we have an elite squad but we are not an elite club and wont unless we get our revenue on a par with them . And the only way that will happen is if we obtain an owner likes City's or PSG. You are seriously deluding yourself otherwise or would you care to explain how we bridge to the financial gap to the like of United, Bayen, Barca or Real? As for asking our players - well me tell why have Eriksen and Alderwield wound their contracts down at a time when the club has moved into a brand new stadium, has a fantastic training complex and enjoyed it's best league finishes in the PL era? Why is exactly that our players can double their wages at other clubs and why we cannot pay the market rate then?
 
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This is Readings new training ground........ a team that finished 20th in the Championship .

But there is clearly no merit in what I saying - just me being negative of course.
You must be blind if you think that looks as good as Hotspur Way.
 
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