The tea at Wembley was lovely.
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A post from Billericayspurs on SSC re transport :
Apologies in advance for a boring post.
I do produce work for Network Rail and DfT and indeed know people working in the Tottenham area on the improvements right now.
WHL is way from finishing, but the silly thing is, it will be a shiny new station, but actually it won't have any more capacity whatsoever, unless loads of extra trains are laid on (TfL dependent). The platforms are of a fixed length, to fit in with all other stations on this branch line.
Northumberland Park is the most advanced and having spoke to a member of Network Rail staff the other day, they say trains will start using the third track to Meridien Water by September which will obviously increase capacity to Stratford and Liverpool Street.
Tottenham Hale still has some track to lay and some complications with overhead power lines running under the bridge approach but again, according to my Network Rail source, will all be working by September.
Seven Sisters, once again, the station is way too small for the interchange that it is. I heard some new exits are planned to alleviate crowds. The problem with Seven Sisters is the platforms are very shallow and don't have much capacity. It is clearly the more convenient station out of TH and crowds will continue to flood this station.
I am curious as to the flow of away fans to the new stadium. Obviously they are now in the opposite corner. I am assuming the authorities will prefer them going to TH or NP but human nature always take the direct route.
On the future of rail planning, people are still suggesting a Victoria Line extension to Northumberland Park. This is never gonna happen. It's very complicated as the depot is not at the end of the line which is unusual. It would require a new tunnel and there is no money for that. Also the space that this track would take up is already safeguarded for a 4th platform at NP because if Crossrail 2 ever comes along this will be the preferred route for many as it travels from SW London up to Tottenham and then north to Broxbourne.
Currently, for me, the best way in would be to change at Stratford and head 2 stops to Northumberland Park in 11 mins. One thing I have noticed is when West Ham are at home along with Spurs, there is now a spike where opposing fans en masse are flooding onto platforms at Stratford already full of West Ham fans from OS. This will only get worse with the extra trains and bigger crowds coming from Tottenham.
My Edit - I'm sure Spurs have said that extra trains to WHL are expected which will increase capacity
Apologies in advance for a boring post.
I do produce work for Network Rail and DfT and indeed know people working in the Tottenham area on the improvements right now.
WHL is way from finishing, but the silly thing is, it will be a shiny new station, but actually it won't have any more capacity whatsoever, unless loads of extra trains are laid on (TfL dependent). The platforms are of a fixed length, to fit in with all other stations on this branch line.
Northumberland Park is the most advanced and having spoke to a member of Network Rail staff the other day, they say trains will start using the third track to Meridien Water by September which will obviously increase capacity to Stratford and Liverpool Street.
Tottenham Hale still has some track to lay and some complications with overhead power lines running under the bridge approach but again, according to my Network Rail source, will all be working by September.
Seven Sisters, once again, the station is way too small for the interchange that it is. I heard some new exits are planned to alleviate crowds. The problem with Seven Sisters is the platforms are very shallow and don't have much capacity. It is clearly the more convenient station out of TH and crowds will continue to flood this station.
I am curious as to the flow of away fans to the new stadium. Obviously they are now in the opposite corner. I am assuming the authorities will prefer them going to TH or NP but human nature always take the direct route.
On the future of rail planning, people are still suggesting a Victoria Line extension to Northumberland Park. This is never gonna happen. It's very complicated as the depot is not at the end of the line which is unusual. It would require a new tunnel and there is no money for that. Also the space that this track would take up is already safeguarded for a 4th platform at NP because if Crossrail 2 ever comes along this will be the preferred route for many as it travels from SW London up to Tottenham and then north to Broxbourne.
Currently, for me, the best way in would be to change at Stratford and head 2 stops to Northumberland Park in 11 mins. One thing I have noticed is when West Ham are at home along with Spurs, there is now a spike where opposing fans en masse are flooding onto platforms at Stratford already full of West Ham fans from OS. This will only get worse with the extra trains and bigger crowds coming from Tottenham.
My Edit - I'm sure Spurs have said that extra trains to WHL are expected which will increase capacity
You're proposing we should move back to Wembley then?
We may have to if there's no sign of a safety certificate in the next 48 hours.
That's a good and pretty obvious point actually. Nobody seems to be mentioning that a lot of the issues are because one of the main stations serving the stadium has been closed for both events so far.
I know we have to factor in another 17,000 people (gulp) but spreading people down that way has to help
A post (from 3 days ago) from a poster on SSC with good contacts in Haringey Council :
One of my little birds is normally a very reliable chirper - and today's chirp has been immensely gratifying. Spurs and Mace, with Spurs' agent as third part certifier, have agreed "practical completion", even ahead of this weekend's test event. This means that Haringey have basically done their end of things already, the only exception to this being TfL (who are official reviewers of the transport arrangements on which the process is now contingent for full completion).
Legally speaking this means that all parties are already happy that there are no patent defects left to screw things up. Even if the transport end of things leads to a nationwide gridlock next weekend it will be dealt with as a statutory duty case and not subject to referral to the TCC, so in other words the keys can be officially handed over now, if they wish
One of my little birds is normally a very reliable chirper - and today's chirp has been immensely gratifying. Spurs and Mace, with Spurs' agent as third part certifier, have agreed "practical completion", even ahead of this weekend's test event. This means that Haringey have basically done their end of things already, the only exception to this being TfL (who are official reviewers of the transport arrangements on which the process is now contingent for full completion).
Legally speaking this means that all parties are already happy that there are no patent defects left to screw things up. Even if the transport end of things leads to a nationwide gridlock next weekend it will be dealt with as a statutory duty case and not subject to referral to the TCC, so in other words the keys can be officially handed over now, if they wish
What if I ask really nicely?! I am row 48 South Stand, half way towards the Shelf.
At half time I walked down to bang behind the goal, South Lower Row 10 and my god I wish I hadn’t. That view is perfection and I’ll do all I can to end up there in the coming years.
Getting crowds away after games is my only concern for the new place.
It was mad at the under 18s, insane at the Legends game.
Going to be special on Wednesday
It was mad at the under 18s, insane at the Legends game.
Going to be special on Wednesday
That last bit about West Ham is cobblers I think. It assumes that West Ham fans all live at Stratford, since when has that been the case? Just as it also supposes that Tottenham fans will all be travelling to the running track from Northumberland Park, again cobblers.
There will be a convergence of course as fans from both are probably mostly overlapped via Essex and will be accessing either stadiums from there, which is no different as it has always been (other than stating the obvious it will be more Spurs fans at home in Tottenham).
Surprised to hear this but I guess it depends on where you needed to go. I left a bit after final whistle (saw interviews etc but can’t remember if they’d finished or not) and was back at Euston for 8.10pm. Walked toward Seven Sisters, jumped on a passing bus and strolled into the tube with no queue.Getting crowds away after games is my only concern for the new place.
It was mad at the under 18s, insane at the Legends game.
Going to be special on Wednesday
But like you, I was wondering how it would be a bit later on in the evening as it’ll be on Wednesday.
On the season ticket note... I sincerely hope the woman directly behind me isn't a ST holder.
As soon as the legends game kicked off she shouted "OK you can sit down now". I was like "Yeah OK jesus!!" She then proceeded to just spout the most incessant drivel that was just clearly regurgitating Daily Mail articles about players wanting to leave and us not buying players.ochfacepalm:
As soon as the legends game kicked off she shouted "OK you can sit down now". I was like "Yeah OK jesus!!" She then proceeded to just spout the most incessant drivel that was just clearly regurgitating Daily Mail articles about players wanting to leave and us not buying players.
ochfacepalm:You sure it’s not Mrs. P?On the season ticket note... I sincerely hope the woman directly behind me isn't a ST holder.
As soon as the legends game kicked off she shouted "OK you can sit down now". I was like "Yeah OK jesus!!" She then proceeded to just spout the most incessant drivel that was just clearly regurgitating Daily Mail articles about players wanting to leave and us not buying players.
As an Aussie, I think it's pretty incredible that you have that much rail infrastructure so far away from the centre of your city. Even though it's probably slightly inadequate for the crowds, it's a hell of a lot better than anything we have, especially if someone plonked a 60k seat stadium 10+km from our CBD (which has happened in the past and from all accounts it was an absolute nightmare to get to). Enjoy Thursday morning (my time) guys, be loud.
10 minute Q to get into it