Any team that can finish above us will win the league. we need a lot of things to go our way but I say we have a 35% chance of winning the league. next up a wounded city is going to be huge. yet still in the media we are not being discussed as genuine contenders. The top 4 has become a top 6. There was never any talk of a top six when we were 5th. Man city and man u are virtually out of the race and still they are talked about more than us. once again we are under the radar.
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The reason there is suddenly a top 6 is because both Utd and CIty look like they won't currently be making top 4. They've got to be shoehorned into being top sides, even though their football isn't doing them any favours. Would be funny if Everton over take the two Manc sides.
Or it might be because there is a group of 6 teams who are well clear of the rest of the table points wise with everything to play for ... just a thought ...
Yep exactly that. And for some reason the only team that was actually in last seasons title race (us) are less favoured than teams like UTD and Liverpool who have been shit for the past few seasons.
The fact Liverpool for instance have more recent league pedigree than us means fuck all. There's as many players in their current set up that last won the league for them as there are in ours from when we last won the league. ZERO.
The media are just so desperate to see them and Utd back at the top it's sickening.
I'm happy we are under the radar in the sense that it takes some of the external pressures off but it's still fucking infuriating.
The fact Liverpool for instance have more recent league pedigree than us means fuck all. There's as many players in their current set up that last won the league for them as there are in ours from when we last won the league. ZERO.
The media are just so desperate to see them and Utd back at the top it's sickening.
I'm happy we are under the radar in the sense that it takes some of the external pressures off but it's still fucking infuriating.
I think most fans of any prem club think that the media give them a bad wrap , even dippers. It doesn't really bother me at all but the sudden transformation to top 6 is weird but I think it's to do with foreign markets & large dipper, Man U , city ,chav, arse fan bases . If they're not talked about being in the hunt those markets may lose interest & that will affect the already dwindling selling of tv rights.
As for journos & the BBC. I think they're just swamped down with ex players from many of these clubs.
As for journos & the BBC. I think they're just swamped down with ex players from many of these clubs.
Coral has us joint 2nd fav in the odds this morning, with the dippers. Sky have moved us up to 3rd, so it hasn't gone completely unnoticed, even if the bellends on the telly don't like to talk about us.
Might have a little flutter on us, 15/2 seems like a good price.
Might have a little flutter on us, 15/2 seems like a good price.
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Man u are 22-1
I can understand top 6 if there were six genuine challengers but there isn't. Chelsea, rightly are massive favourites followed by Liverpool Spurs and Woolwich
the Manchester sides are not at the races
Man u are 22-1
I can understand top 6 if there were six genuine challengers but there isn't. Chelsea, rightly are massive favourites followed by Liverpool Spurs and Woolwich
the Manchester sides are not at the races
Hull are 10000/1... haven't they learnt their lesson from last season?! 
A journalist who has actually looked at the league table whilst assessing everyone's chances!!!!
They do exist!!!!
Premier League title race: How top six is shaping up
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
Chelsea's Premier League title rivals thought the door had been pushed ajar after a run on 13 straight wins ended at Tottenham and the new harmony under manager Antonio Conte was disturbed by Diego Costa.
The title pacesetters would always be able to recover from a bad result - but how would they cope with the exclusion of their firebrand top scorer after a training ground bust-up and suggestions of interest from China?
Chelsea gave their answer with an impressive 3-0 win at Leicester City that, combined with the weekend's other results, put them firmly back in control of their Premier League destiny.
So, after 21 games and another weekend of significant matches, how are the top six clubs shaping up?
Chelsea - 1st
Spain winger Pedro has five goals in the league for Chelsea this season
Form: Won 14 out of past 15.
Upcoming fixtures: 22 January - Hull (home), 31 January - Liverpool (away), 4 February - Woolwich (home).
Conte will have demanded an instant Premier League response from his team after that 2-0 loss at White Hart Lane, which he rightly placed in context by pointing out it was inflicted by a quality side with title aspirations of their own.
The wildcard was provided by the sudden falling out with influential striker Costa that provided an unexpected backdrop to Saturday's events at the King Power Stadium and gave the first hint of dissent in Chelsea and Conte's camp this season.
In the end, the Italian boss was given the opportunity to prove the versatility and flexibility of his squad in Costa's absence as Willian, Eden Hazard and Pedro provided the attacking threat.
In the absence of any suggestion Blues owner Roman Abramovich will bow to pressure to sell in January, the priority now is to get the combustible Spain striker back on side and ensure any unrest does not spread.
If that can be done, then Chelsea can look back at a weekend where their title position was strengthened as they now stand seven points clear.
Verdict: Back on track and clear title favourites.
Tottenham - 2nd
With 13 goals and two assists, Harry Kane is the English player involved in the most league goals this season
Form: Won past six.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Manchester City (away), 31 January - Sunderland (away), 4 February - Middlesbrough (home).
Mauricio Pochettino's side are a growing force in this title race and the 4-0 demolition of West Bromwich Albion was further evidence of their growing authority.
It was their sixth straight league win since their loss at Manchester United in December - and they have only lost two games out of 21.
Harry Kane is firing on all cylinders, shown by his hat-trick against West Brom, and with Dele Alli scoring seven goals in his past five league games Spurs are starting to look the full package.
They ran out of steam towards the end of last season, but Pochettino is a top-class operator who will surely have learned his lesson and tailored his team's intense style accordingly.
The Argentine will still hope to avoid injuries and there is a real worry over influential defender Jan Vertonghen, who Pochettino fears has suffered a "bad" ankle injury.
Next weekend's game at Manchester City will tell us even more about them.
Verdict: Flew under the radar for a while but now right at the heart of the title race.
Liverpool - 3rd
Liverpool have lost just two Premier League games this season
Form: One defeat in past 19.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Swansea (home), 31 January - Chelsea (home), 4 February - Hull (away).
Liverpool will be disappointed they could not hold on for victory at Manchester United on Sunday, but there is plenty of encouragement to take from their performance.
The disappointment will come because they were within six minutes of securing a win that would not only have inflicted even more damage on United, but also would have sent a strong message to those nearer the top of the table.
It is to the Reds' credit that they came so close to victory despite key men such as Philippe Coutinho still not fit enough to start, Nathaniel Clyne out with a rib injury and Joel Matip sidelined because of confusion surrounding his absence from Cameroon's Africa Cup Of Nations squad.
Manager Jurgen Klopp rightly believes they are still in a strong position but will surely be frustrated that Zlatan Ibrahimovic's late goal means Chelsea stretched their advantage to seven points.
Verdict: Remain title contenders but top four would still be fine achievement.
Woolwich - 4th
Alexis Sanchez has been involved in 21 goals this season - 14 goals and seven assists - which is more than any other player
Form: Unbeaten in past four.
Upcoming fixtures: 22 January - Burnley (home), 31 January - Watford (home), 4 February - Chelsea (away).
Woolwich's win at Swansea City could not have been more convincing and they have responded well to successive losses at Everton and Manchester City, when they conceded winning positions and showed the vulnerability that has haunted them for seasons.
Even at the Liberty Stadium on Saturday they made a slow start, but it is hard to argue with a 4-0 away win.
Woolwich manager Arsene Wenger wants the Gunners to stay in the title shake-up until the closing stages - and they are certainly doing that so far.
Are they, however, potential Premier League winners? They cannot be ruled out but it is hard to see where they will pick up the points to haul in Chelsea.
Verdict: In the mix as their manager demands, but will a soft centre let them down?
Manchester City - 5th
Manchester City keeper Claudio Bravo has conceded 14 goals from the past 22 shots on target he has faced
Form: Two defeats in past three.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Tottenham (home), 1 February - West Ham (away), 5 February - Swansea (home).
Manager Pep Guardiola effectively wrote off Manchester City's title challenge after they were giving a thorough working over and beaten 4-0 at Everton.
City now face a fight to finish in the top four with a side seemingly physically weak, riddled with defensive frailty and a goalkeeper in Claudio Bravo who hardly ever seems to save a shot. Failure to make next season's Champions League would represent a catastrophe in the Spaniard's first season.
And this is Guardiola's responsibility after he shipped out England keeper Joe Hart on loan to Torino. Out of the past 22 shots Bravo has faced, 14 have been goals.
Only five teams have a lower haul than City's tally of four clean sheets and they have conceded from the first shot they have faced in four of their past seven games.
The problems are there for all to see, although Guardiola has so far done little to correct the faults.
City have suffered two damaging defeats on Merseyside in recent weeks - and do not look like a side who have the slightest chance of making up a 10-point deficit on Chelsea.
Verdict: Forget the title. Manchester City are in a top-four fight now.
Manchester United - 6th
Only Dwight Yorke and Ruud van Nistelrooy (15) scored more goals for Manchester United in their first 20 Premier League games than Zlatan Ibrahimovic's 14.
Form: Unbeaten in past 12.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Stoke (away), 1 February - Hull (home), 5 February - Leicester (away).
Manchester United are showing definite signs of improvement under manager Jose Mourinho, but like neighbours City their fight is now for the top four rather than the title.
They could have closed to within two points of Liverpool with victory at Old Trafford on Sunday, but 12 points is surely an impossible gap to breach between United and Chelsea.
United have drawn seven league games - including five at home - and the simple fact is they have squandered too many points to make up the deficit.
Mourinho is definitely moving United forward, but not fast enough to make them title contenders this season.
Verdict: Top four should be the target. The title is now out of reach.
They do exist!!!!
Premier League title race: How top six is shaping up
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
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Chelsea's Premier League title rivals thought the door had been pushed ajar after a run on 13 straight wins ended at Tottenham and the new harmony under manager Antonio Conte was disturbed by Diego Costa.
The title pacesetters would always be able to recover from a bad result - but how would they cope with the exclusion of their firebrand top scorer after a training ground bust-up and suggestions of interest from China?
Chelsea gave their answer with an impressive 3-0 win at Leicester City that, combined with the weekend's other results, put them firmly back in control of their Premier League destiny.
So, after 21 games and another weekend of significant matches, how are the top six clubs shaping up?
Chelsea - 1st
Spain winger Pedro has five goals in the league for Chelsea this season
Form: Won 14 out of past 15.
Upcoming fixtures: 22 January - Hull (home), 31 January - Liverpool (away), 4 February - Woolwich (home).
Conte will have demanded an instant Premier League response from his team after that 2-0 loss at White Hart Lane, which he rightly placed in context by pointing out it was inflicted by a quality side with title aspirations of their own.
The wildcard was provided by the sudden falling out with influential striker Costa that provided an unexpected backdrop to Saturday's events at the King Power Stadium and gave the first hint of dissent in Chelsea and Conte's camp this season.
In the end, the Italian boss was given the opportunity to prove the versatility and flexibility of his squad in Costa's absence as Willian, Eden Hazard and Pedro provided the attacking threat.
In the absence of any suggestion Blues owner Roman Abramovich will bow to pressure to sell in January, the priority now is to get the combustible Spain striker back on side and ensure any unrest does not spread.
If that can be done, then Chelsea can look back at a weekend where their title position was strengthened as they now stand seven points clear.
Verdict: Back on track and clear title favourites.
Tottenham - 2nd
With 13 goals and two assists, Harry Kane is the English player involved in the most league goals this season
Form: Won past six.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Manchester City (away), 31 January - Sunderland (away), 4 February - Middlesbrough (home).
Mauricio Pochettino's side are a growing force in this title race and the 4-0 demolition of West Bromwich Albion was further evidence of their growing authority.
It was their sixth straight league win since their loss at Manchester United in December - and they have only lost two games out of 21.
Harry Kane is firing on all cylinders, shown by his hat-trick against West Brom, and with Dele Alli scoring seven goals in his past five league games Spurs are starting to look the full package.
They ran out of steam towards the end of last season, but Pochettino is a top-class operator who will surely have learned his lesson and tailored his team's intense style accordingly.
The Argentine will still hope to avoid injuries and there is a real worry over influential defender Jan Vertonghen, who Pochettino fears has suffered a "bad" ankle injury.
Next weekend's game at Manchester City will tell us even more about them.
Verdict: Flew under the radar for a while but now right at the heart of the title race.
Liverpool - 3rd
Liverpool have lost just two Premier League games this season
Form: One defeat in past 19.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Swansea (home), 31 January - Chelsea (home), 4 February - Hull (away).
Liverpool will be disappointed they could not hold on for victory at Manchester United on Sunday, but there is plenty of encouragement to take from their performance.
The disappointment will come because they were within six minutes of securing a win that would not only have inflicted even more damage on United, but also would have sent a strong message to those nearer the top of the table.
It is to the Reds' credit that they came so close to victory despite key men such as Philippe Coutinho still not fit enough to start, Nathaniel Clyne out with a rib injury and Joel Matip sidelined because of confusion surrounding his absence from Cameroon's Africa Cup Of Nations squad.
Manager Jurgen Klopp rightly believes they are still in a strong position but will surely be frustrated that Zlatan Ibrahimovic's late goal means Chelsea stretched their advantage to seven points.
Verdict: Remain title contenders but top four would still be fine achievement.
Woolwich - 4th
Alexis Sanchez has been involved in 21 goals this season - 14 goals and seven assists - which is more than any other player
Form: Unbeaten in past four.
Upcoming fixtures: 22 January - Burnley (home), 31 January - Watford (home), 4 February - Chelsea (away).
Woolwich's win at Swansea City could not have been more convincing and they have responded well to successive losses at Everton and Manchester City, when they conceded winning positions and showed the vulnerability that has haunted them for seasons.
Even at the Liberty Stadium on Saturday they made a slow start, but it is hard to argue with a 4-0 away win.
Woolwich manager Arsene Wenger wants the Gunners to stay in the title shake-up until the closing stages - and they are certainly doing that so far.
Are they, however, potential Premier League winners? They cannot be ruled out but it is hard to see where they will pick up the points to haul in Chelsea.
Verdict: In the mix as their manager demands, but will a soft centre let them down?
Manchester City - 5th
Manchester City keeper Claudio Bravo has conceded 14 goals from the past 22 shots on target he has faced
Form: Two defeats in past three.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Tottenham (home), 1 February - West Ham (away), 5 February - Swansea (home).
Manager Pep Guardiola effectively wrote off Manchester City's title challenge after they were giving a thorough working over and beaten 4-0 at Everton.
City now face a fight to finish in the top four with a side seemingly physically weak, riddled with defensive frailty and a goalkeeper in Claudio Bravo who hardly ever seems to save a shot. Failure to make next season's Champions League would represent a catastrophe in the Spaniard's first season.
And this is Guardiola's responsibility after he shipped out England keeper Joe Hart on loan to Torino. Out of the past 22 shots Bravo has faced, 14 have been goals.
Only five teams have a lower haul than City's tally of four clean sheets and they have conceded from the first shot they have faced in four of their past seven games.
The problems are there for all to see, although Guardiola has so far done little to correct the faults.
City have suffered two damaging defeats on Merseyside in recent weeks - and do not look like a side who have the slightest chance of making up a 10-point deficit on Chelsea.
Verdict: Forget the title. Manchester City are in a top-four fight now.
Manchester United - 6th
Only Dwight Yorke and Ruud van Nistelrooy (15) scored more goals for Manchester United in their first 20 Premier League games than Zlatan Ibrahimovic's 14.
Form: Unbeaten in past 12.
Upcoming fixtures: 21 January - Stoke (away), 1 February - Hull (home), 5 February - Leicester (away).
Manchester United are showing definite signs of improvement under manager Jose Mourinho, but like neighbours City their fight is now for the top four rather than the title.
They could have closed to within two points of Liverpool with victory at Old Trafford on Sunday, but 12 points is surely an impossible gap to breach between United and Chelsea.
United have drawn seven league games - including five at home - and the simple fact is they have squandered too many points to make up the deficit.
Mourinho is definitely moving United forward, but not fast enough to make them title contenders this season.
Verdict: Top four should be the target. The title is now out of reach.
One down, one to go
Is that why last season they spoke of clubs wanting to finish in the 'Top 10' ...'cos that's where Chelsea were??!!
I thought it was a top 6 because the top 6 are so far away from the rest.
It is annoying that if we were in 6th place and 7 points clear of Everton but 5 points off 2nd there is no way we'd have been spoken about (probably due to our resources) and it would have just been a top 5 but we are better then that and you can tell it upsets the so called pundits.
It is annoying that if we were in 6th place and 7 points clear of Everton but 5 points off 2nd there is no way we'd have been spoken about (probably due to our resources) and it would have just been a top 5 but we are better then that and you can tell it upsets the so called pundits.
Lemme guess; 1053/1089 kHz by any chance??
Hang on fellas we say we enjoy being under the radar yet here we are again with this thread begging for the media to notice us
It doesn't matter, and we are a LONG way from the finish line, trust me they will change their tune IF we win and probably call Poch the new Sir Alex in a heartbeat, leave them to it
It doesn't matter, and we are a LONG way from the finish line, trust me they will change their tune IF we win and probably call Poch the new Sir Alex in a heartbeat, leave them to it
Nonsense, either or both of them could be right back up in it in a matter of weeks. They're bloody 3 and 5 points behind us in 2nd for goodness sake! That can be turned in 2 games, there are 17 left!