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Dembele plays well from deep and yet still gibbs harps on about being right about him needing to be moved forward. We should just play mason and dembele as our front two since they're such attacking gods.

We should sack Poch too for taking too long to see it. Stupid argentine. :pochbye:
Don't be so fucking stupid...







..that's where Trippier and Bentaleb play.
 
Dembele said that? I LOVE that Dier self disciplines.

Dembele has a great attitude too. This season again has been plagued with injury and he's still beasting everyone that comes near.

Pretty funny you post that seconds after I claimed that better players surrounding him has helped him shine.

I often said back in the day that we had a grass roots issue with attitude in UK with the drinking culture etc. Dier cutting his teeth elsewhere may be a bonus. He seems classy/dedicated.

I was thinking that Bentaleb long term would be captain, but Dier is looking like a leader in the making. We look like we have a lot of future captains in this team. Kane, Mason, Dembele, Dier, Alli, Toby, Jan etc seem to know what is important. It's a million miles away from drunk messes like Hutton and co.

Poch deserves massive respect for weeding out the weaker mentalities.
So you're finally done constantly lambasting Poch?
 
So you're finally done constantly lambasting Poch?

Lambasting? I PREDICTED this upturn.

Season watch: The impact of our team.

"I think it will be a slow start when it comes to entertainment but eventually it will come. Players like Mason, Dembele, Bentaleb etc are natual AM's but have been played out of position for so long it may take a while to get them back.

Seeing Masons through ball for Kane's one on one is just a taste of what is to come.

IMO Mason, Dembele and Benteleb will ragdoll most players being coveted in the transfer thread. Including Wanyama.

Ironically the last time Southhampton beat us in the prem, was the before MS joined them. We've taken the lions share of points from the saints in the prem but people tend to forget that.

Dembele put the fear of god into MS vs United. It took an own goal and a billion dollar squad surrounding him to scrape a win against us. We are a sleeping giant IMO. It may take a season or two but we were the youngest squad in the prem last week. It's a project worth putting time into.

Even when they beat us via an own goal, they were lying on the floor in agony, players being subbed for cramp etc etc. Mata was screaming at one point. It was a joy to watch. When the ref stopped play because of cramp...that was some bullshit. Not exactly a head injury. They were exhausted and the ref gave them a nice breather to sit on their lead. Top 4 gold card members getting some Fergy time."

I've already said I love Poch for getting rid of drunk Lennon etc. perhaps you need to read everything I wrote about him and not zoom in on what I think is his weaker suit?

My posts can zoom in on the negatives of players/managers. As these cracks get smaller there is less for me to complain about.

I'm not going to claim
Dembele is fast, Poch outmanages cerebral managers or Eriksen is great at covering for Rose or Davies.

I've said I want Poch to stay AGES ago and see what he builds because HISTORICALLY I said he LEARNS FROM HIS MISTAKES only he does it SLOWLY.

He's slowly done what I always wanted, added more steal and got rid of the soft underbelly.

Lambasting??? I was the one who started the thread claiming we would be awesome when the transfer forum was melting down.

You pluck one percentage of a percentage of my posts to throw at me, and ignore me saying things like we are sleeping GIANTS?

Read that thread. And eat some crow.
 
Lambasting? I PREDICTED this upturn.

Season watch: The impact of our team.

"I think it will be a slow start when it comes to entertainment but eventually it will come. Players like Mason, Dembele, Bentaleb etc are natual AM's but have been played out of position for so long it may take a while to get them back.

Seeing Masons through ball for Kane's one on one is just a taste of what is to come.

IMO Mason, Dembele and Benteleb will ragdoll most players being coveted in the transfer thread. Including Wanyama.

Ironically the last time Southhampton beat us in the prem, was the before MS joined them. We've taken the lions share of points from the saints in the prem but people tend to forget that.

Dembele put the fear of god into MS vs United. It took an own goal and a billion dollar squad surrounding him to scrape a win against us. We are a sleeping giant IMO. It may take a season or two but we were the youngest squad in the prem last week. It's a project worth putting time into.

Even when they beat us via an own goal, they were lying on the floor in agony, players being subbed for cramp etc etc. Mata was screaming at one point. It was a joy to watch. When the ref stopped play because of cramp...that was some bullshit. Not exactly a head injury. They were exhausted and the ref gave them a nice breather to sit on their lead. Top 4 gold card members getting some Fergy time."

I've already said I love Poch for getting rid of drunk Lennon etc. perhaps you need to read everything I wrote about him and not zoom in on what I think is his weaker suit?

My posts can zoom in on the negatives of players/managers. As these cracks get smaller there is less for me to complain about.

I'm not going to claim
Dembele is fast, Poch outmanages cerebral managers or Eriksen is great at covering for Rose or Davies.

I've said I want Poch to stay AGES ago and see what he builds because HISTORICALLY I said he LEARNS FROM HIS MISTAKES only he does it SLOWLY.

He's slowly done what I always wanted, added more steal and got rid of the soft underbelly.

Lambasting??? I was the one who started the thread claiming we would be awesome when the transfer forum was melting down.

You pluck one percentage of a percentage of my posts to throw at me, and ignore me saying things like we are sleeping GIANTS?

Read that thread. And eat some crow.
"Poch is green. He does not seem to have a tactical bone in his body. All last season he kept subbing nailed on failures in front of goal like Soldado and Townsend to score goals from the bench? In two seasons they scored enough goals to count on one hand in open play, but they are going to score for us when Kane etc could not right? How many assists does Townsend have? 1 every prem season?

Poch is too slow a learner, and we will stumble along like we did last season as teams pick our obvious soft spots like Lamela, Lennon, Townsend or Eriksen making us weak down the wings making us easy to counter.

I have a feeling the facepalms will be bruising this season. I’m still reeling from early last season, where to “change things” he would take off Lennon and bring on Townsend. Yeah…that will shake things up.

It’s just slightly frustrating to know that Poch will be as glacial to close the final frontier as he was to oust Lennon, Soldado, Townsend co."
Ole Gibbsy, November 2015

"Unfortunately it’s too late for Poch who thinks Danny Rose is the best left back in England. Unfortunately Jan’s face will continue to look like a smacked arse with our paper thin wings demanding too much of our Rollys Royce of a defender.

And one good game from Danny Rose is not going to pull the wool over my eyes when it comes to the soft Spurs problem that has mugged better managers than Poch in the past."
Ole Gibbsy, March 2015
 
Lambasting? I PREDICTED this upturn.

Season watch: The impact of our team.

"I think it will be a slow start when it comes to entertainment but eventually it will come. Players like Mason, Dembele, Bentaleb etc are natual AM's but have been played out of position for so long it may take a while to get them back.

Seeing Masons through ball for Kane's one on one is just a taste of what is to come.

IMO Mason, Dembele and Benteleb will ragdoll most players being coveted in the transfer thread. Including Wanyama.

Ironically the last time Southhampton beat us in the prem, was the before MS joined them. We've taken the lions share of points from the saints in the prem but people tend to forget that.

Dembele put the fear of god into MS vs United. It took an own goal and a billion dollar squad surrounding him to scrape a win against us. We are a sleeping giant IMO. It may take a season or two but we were the youngest squad in the prem last week. It's a project worth putting time into.

Even when they beat us via an own goal, they were lying on the floor in agony, players being subbed for cramp etc etc. Mata was screaming at one point. It was a joy to watch. When the ref stopped play because of cramp...that was some bullshit. Not exactly a head injury. They were exhausted and the ref gave them a nice breather to sit on their lead. Top 4 gold card members getting some Fergy time."

I've already said I love Poch for getting rid of drunk Lennon etc. perhaps you need to read everything I wrote about him and not zoom in on what I think is his weaker suit?

My posts can zoom in on the negatives of players/managers. As these cracks get smaller there is less for me to complain about.

I'm not going to claim
Dembele is fast, Poch outmanages cerebral managers or Eriksen is great at covering for Rose or Davies.

I've said I want Poch to stay AGES ago and see what he builds because HISTORICALLY I said he LEARNS FROM HIS MISTAKES only he does it SLOWLY.

He's slowly done what I always wanted, added more steal and got rid of the soft underbelly.

Lambasting??? I was the one who started the thread claiming we would be awesome when the transfer forum was melting down.

You pluck one percentage of a percentage of my posts to throw at me, and ignore me saying things like we are sleeping GIANTS?

Read that thread. And eat some crow.
Twat. Mugged off yet again. :pochfacepalm:
 
"Unfortunately it’s too late for Poch who thinks Danny Rose is the best left back in England. Unfortunately Jan’s face will continue to look like a smacked arse with our paper thin wings demanding too much of our Rollys Royce of a defender.

And one good game from Danny Rose is not going to pull the wool over my eyes when it comes to the soft Spurs problem that has mugged better managers than Poch in the past."
Ole Gibbsy, March 2015

March 2015 eh?

What happened shortly after that post that season? We were disappointing.

POCH REINTRODUCED TOWNSEND IN THE CUP FINAL, EUROPA AND THE LEAGUE/TOP 4 AND WE CRASHED OUT OF ALL OF THEM.

I changed my tune when Lennon, Soldado, Chiriches etc were jettisoned.

My qualm with Poch last season was he trusted in Townsend when we were in the hunt for everything.

Townsend MUGGED Poch last season.

Like I claimed he's finally realized his error. His mistake. Slowly he gets there.

The rest of your post: face palms. Woolwich lineup? Townsend again? Fazio? Carroll?

Again, he will slowly learn from that mistake. He's slowly doing everything Gibbsy style.

Which is why I said despite him playing Townsend and throwing our season away, I wanted to give him time.

And it's coming together nicely. My thread season watch could not have been more perfectly timed.

I believe Poch will continue to make mistakes, and like I also said, he will correct them slowly but surely.
 
"Poch is green. He does not seem to have a tactical bone in his body. All last season he kept subbing nailed on failures in front of goal like Soldado and Townsend to score goals from the bench? In two seasons they scored enough goals to count on one hand in open play, but they are going to score for us when Kane etc could not right? How many assists does Townsend have? 1 every prem season?

Poch is too slow a learner, and we will stumble along like we did last season as teams pick our obvious soft spots like Lamela, Lennon, Townsend or Eriksen making us weak down the wings making us easy to counter.

I have a feeling the facepalms will be bruising this season. I’m still reeling from early last season, where to “change things” he would take off Lennon and bring on Townsend. Yeah…that will shake things up.

It’s just slightly frustrating to know that Poch will be as glacial to close the final frontier as he was to oust Lennon, Soldado, Townsend co."
Ole Gibbsy, November 2015

"Unfortunately it’s too late for Poch who thinks Danny Rose is the best left back in England. Unfortunately Jan’s face will continue to look like a smacked arse with our paper thin wings demanding too much of our Rollys Royce of a defender.

And one good game from Danny Rose is not going to pull the wool over my eyes when it comes to the soft Spurs problem that has mugged better managers than Poch in the past."
Ole Gibbsy, March 2015

Taxi for Gibbsy!
 
its a bit ironic that I'm being told I'm a mug after Joe posted this about Dembele:

"OK, l think we're being mugged off. Most overrated player of all time. Played in every position, no fucking good in any of them. He doesn't know what to with the football when he gets it. Oh, l forgot, poke it at the keeper and hope it goes in, then fuck up. I don't mind what others say, l think he makes us look shit. Oh, but his close control was so excellent against LOL. Bollocks, sell him to some mugs, and get a ruthless player in. We'll always be 5th best while jokers like him are around."
 
March 2015 eh?

What happened shortly after that post that season? We were disappointing.

POCH REINTRODUCED TOWNSEND IN THE CUP FINAL, EUROPA AND THE LEAGUE/TOP 4 AND WE CRASHED OUT OF ALL OF THEM.

I changed my tune when Lennon, Soldado, Chiriches etc were jettisoned.

My qualm with Poch last season was he trusted in Townsend when we were in the hunt for everything.

Townsend MUGGED Poch last season.

Like I claimed he's finally realized his error. His mistake. Slowly he gets there.

The rest of your post: face palms. Woolwich lineup? Townsend again? Fazio? Carroll?

Again, he will slowly learn from that mistake. He's slowly doing everything Gibbsy style.

Which is why I said despite him playing Townsend and throwing our season away, I wanted to give him time.

And it's coming together nicely. My thread season watch could not have been more perfectly timed.

I believe Poch will continue to make mistakes, and like I also said, he will correct them slowly but surely.
If Gibbsy style meant us keeping Adebayor and Paulinho, I'd pass. It's just so weird when you make obvious claims like Soldado isn't working out or Lennon should go and then act all high and mighty when it happens, it's not like everybody else has been saying that. You kept attacking Poch for subbing on Soldado and Townsend when we were in need of goals, who else was there? Isn't it good that Soldado was benched, or am I missing something here? You predicted this season to be shite as well, just bugger off, will you?
 
Taxi for Gibbsy!

Right. I predicted we would not do well from March to the end of the season. It happened. Poch introduced Townsend in all 3 comps and we crashed out of all targets.

This season after the tiny dancers were sold snd Townsend dropped, I started s thread claiming we would be amazing.

I predicted both aspects.

I keep laughing that we are in a Dembele thread, and the toilet still try and own me.
 
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If Gibbsy style meant us keeping Adebayor and Paulinho, I'd pass. It's just so weird when you make obvious claims like Soldado isn't working out or Lennon should go and then act all high and mighty when it happens, it's not like everybody else has been saying that. You kept attacking Poch for subbing on Soldado and Townsend when we were in need of goals, who else was there? Isn't it good that Soldado was benched, or am I missing something here? You predicted this season to be shite as well, just bugger off, will you?

Yes. The choice at the time was Soldado and Townsend or Ade and Paulinho.

You think it was obvious?? I was RIPPED TO SHREDS SUGGESTING IT. Where do you think the tiny dancer rep came from? It was a shitstorm that I wanted Dembele more attacking with Eriksen, Lamela and Kane. Joe said it would be like watching a fat Sam team. Got me sin binned

I was right back then too. What with Ade's goals under Sherwood keeping us in Europa. And Ade was often on the pitch when Kane started kicking on.

Unlike Joe 3 weeks ago;

"Can't be arsed to read - Dembele the worst player on the pitch. Jeez does that stupid lump fuck up our football. Far from being a hard man, he fell over everytime someone touched him. We will never improve when he is in the squad. Ditch! he makes all our players look awful.

You cats that rate him? Fine. Gets the ball - ignores runners, turns backwards. Fucks up our attacks. You cats see football too close to home. l Never want to see the gutless twat in a Spurs shirt again. What a fake."
 
Yes. The choice at the time was Soldado and Townsend or Ade and Paulinho.

You think it was obvious?? I was RIPPED TO SHREDS SUGGESTING IT. Where do you think the tiny dancer rep came from? It was a shitstorm that I wanted Dembele more attacking with Eriksen, Lamela and Kane. Joe said it would be like watching a fat Sam team. Got me sin binned

I was right back then too. What with Ade's goals under Sherwood keeping us in Europa. And Ade was often on the pitch when Kane started kicking on.

Unlike Joe 3 weeks ago;

"Can't be arsed to read - Dembele the worst player on the pitch. Jeez does that stupid lump fuck up our football. Far from being a hard man, he fell over everytime someone touched him. We will never improve when he is in the squad. Ditch! he makes all our players look awful.

You cats that rate him? Fine. Gets the ball - ignores runners, turns backwards. Fucks up our attacks. You cats see football too close to home. l Never want to see the gutless twat in a Spurs shirt again. What a fake."
You're mixing things up, mate. Dembele discussion and you wanting Paulinho and Ade was months apart. You got "ripped to shreds" suggesting us playing Bentaleb - Mason - Dembele behind Kane, which is fucking ironic since you've been likening Poch to AVB for not having enough pace behind the striker.
Another weird thing about you is how you insist on Rose being a winger, but you constantly reiterate how his only attribute is tackling, what's the fucking point of him being a winger?
 
Dembele puts modern twist on traditional midfield all-rounder role

Dembele puts modern twist on traditional midfield all-rounder role
The Tottenham man is both a creator and a ball-winner, a combination that's become less common in today's game. Alex Hess analyses the Belgian's brilliant renaissance...

Spurs are on the up – a club transformed! – and what’s more they’re doing it the English way. Mauricio Pochettino’s resurgent side have cured the club’s chronic character deficiency and converted the tone of the “Lads, it’s Spurs” team talk from sneering dismissal into well-founded trepidation. A corner has been turned, the revival headed by a troop of homegrown youngsters. And yet, at the core of the revival, and the man who has turned the sharpest corner of the lot, is a 28-year-old Belgian.

After two years in the near wilderness, Mousa Dembele is back – and with something as close to a vengeance as can be applied to a player of his all-consuming nonchalance. The man who just weeks ago seemed consigned to the periphery, whose languid manner looked to have been supplanted by the swarming urgency of his younger, hungrier team-mates, is now a central figure in Project Poch.

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Dembele's become a key member of Pochettino's high-tempo, hard-pressing outfit

Strangest of all, Dembele’s rejuvenation seems to have occurred largely by accident. When Pochettino took over last summer, the many who saw the Belgian’s strolling style as incompatible with his new boss’s demands were treated to a season’s worth of affirming evidence. He started just 10 league games, making next to no impression. The common presumption was that a summer move for a player who had been drifting for some time would make sense for all parties.

When the transfer window came and went with the seemingly inevitable never materialising, a handful of rather nondescript outings in Spurs’ opening fixtures this term didn’t offer much vindication for his enduring presence in north London. The frustration with Dembele was much the same as it had been ever since his bright start to his Spurs career tailed off at the start of 2013: he was just too passive, too happy to amble around the centre-circle while 21 strangers played a game of football around him. The antithesis, in short, to everything his coach required.

Return to the fold

Whispers of a cut-price move to Italy have turned into whispers of a new deal at White Hart Lane

If you believed in Mousa Dembele, that was the time to buy your shares; in mid-October came his Sliding Doors moment. He had not started a game for six weeks but with Eric Dier, Ryan Mason and Nabil Bentaleb all sidelined, he was drafted into central midfield for the visit of Jurgen Klopp’s Liverpool.

The game was a largely glum affair but Dembele’s diligence impressed, and since then the Belgian's name has been marked in ink on every one of Pochettino's team sheets. With Dier returning, Dembele was soon shifted up into the No.10 role, another position for which the club have a surfeit of options. Despite the return to fitness of all of them, the Belgium international has proved undroppable.

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Another opponent is left trailing in the Belgian's wake

He has started all of his side’s seven fixtures in the space of weeks, equalled his goal tally for the previous two years and been the driving force behind Spurs’ no-longer-under-the-radar renaissance. He’s even got referees cheering his goals. Whispers of a cut-price move to Italy have turned into whispers of a new deal at White Hart Lane.

Ability vs mentality

At the risk of reducing a complex human formula into a simplified binary, the issue with Dembele has never looked to be one of talent, more of application

It does raise the question, though, of quite what he’s been doing with himself for the last couple of years. And at the risk of reducing a complex human formula into a simplified binary, the issue with Dembele has never looked to be one of talent, more of application.

Les Ferdinand, who worked on Spurs’ coaching staff under Tim Sherwood’s management, said of Dembele last year: "He's got great ability, yet you just don't see enough of it. He leaves you frustrated because you know he's got more and you want to see it. We used to watch him in training. Every time he got the ball he wanted someone to challenge him and he'd get past them but then just pass it sideways."

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From peripheral figure to mainstay

It was a frustration that pervaded White Hart Lane’s stands as well as its dugout. In a way, it's easy to cast Dembele as a victim of his own talent: as with any player whose ability appears to come so effortlessly, any downturn in form tends to be interpreted as a lack of endeavour. Fairly or not, in the eyes of the spectator there’s a thin line between effortlessness and simple lack of effort.

Previous promise

Where once upon a time every top side would have a Vieira, Gerrard or Essien capable of gathering the ball deep and putting on the burners, you can now count on one hand the central midfielders able to suddenly ramp up a game's tempo with a purposeful surge

But for whatever reason – perhaps the swarm of rosy-cheeked tyros breaking through has reignited his hunger; perhaps he’s simply fitter and more confident than before – Dembele is finally playing to his potential again, dominating rather than decorating. He certainly looks more motivated, not just tackling at a higher rate than ever before, but fouling plenty more, too.

Having settled at the centre of the attacking trident behind Harry Kane, Dembele has rediscovered the goal threat required for the role while also doing plenty to aid the fire-extinguishing duties of Dier behind him.

But, crucially, he offers something that no one else in the squad – and hardly anyone else in the league – does: the ability to carry the ball through the middle in the pitch. Where once upon a time every top side would have a Vieira, Gerrard or Essien capable of gathering the ball deep and putting on the burners, you can now count on one hand the central midfielders able to suddenly ramp up a game's tempo with a purposeful surge.

Dembele’s dribbling skills (which led former manager Martin Jol to label him "probably the best player on the ball I've ever seen") are a legacy of his career as a forward in Holland, first for Willem II and then Louis van Gaal’s AZ Alkmaar. With the latter, his side came within a game of winning the Dutch league, and to watch his 10 goals from the 2008/09 season is to watch a player who could breeze past multiple defenders with almost apologetic ease.






If recent weeks have served as a reminder of Dembele's merits, they are also a reminder of previous false dawns. His first spate of games for Spurs in the autumn of 2012 drew many purrs of approval from a growing legion of admirers – not least Sir Alex Ferguson, whose title winners-in-waiting hosted two Dembele masterclasses in a month. The second of these (during Spurs’ famous 3-2 win at Old Trafford) came after his own offer to Fulham had been bettered by Daniel Levy’s and the midfielder had relocated to Seven Sisters rather than Salford.

At that point the Belgian looked the perfect replacement for the silk-booted Luka Modric – but with added muscle. On these very pages it was noted, four months after the Belgian's signing, that "Spurs haven’t experienced a dip in quality since Modric's departure". Thirty-four months after his signing, though, it is a rather different story. Or at least it was until recently.

Box-to-box all-rounder

In an era of midfield specialists, Dembele can do the lot. It is faintly astonishing to note that so far this season, he averages both the sixth-most dribbles and the fourth-most tackles in the league. Taken as a pair, these facts illustrate the rare completeness that makes Dembele a player worth persisting with: he is at once a forward-gliding creative force and an aggressive ball-winner. "I like to do defensive work and attack from midfield," he has said. "I think I can do both." He's not wrong.

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It’s a pleasing paradox that at the heart of one of the division’s most modern outfits is that most old-fashioned of figures: the box-to-box all-rounder. And yet within that, too, lies a further paradox: Dembele plays English football’s most traditionally tub-thumping position – the one defined by the clenched fists of Souness, Robson and Gerrard – with an air of Zen-like detachment. Rambling instead of rampaging, insolence instead of turbulence, Dembele plays the most blood-and-thunder of roles with an absolute minimum of both.

He is a fitting driving force behind a side that are fusing together the old and the new to great effect. And more simply, an in-form Mousa Dembele is among the league’s most appealing and enchanting spectacles. Long may his renaissance continue.
 
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its a bit ironic that I'm being told I'm a mug after Joe posted this about Dembele:

"OK, l think we're being mugged off. Most overrated player of all time. Played in every position, no fucking good in any of them. He doesn't know what to with the football when he gets it. Oh, l forgot, poke it at the keeper and hope it goes in, then fuck up. I don't mind what others say, l think he makes us look shit. Oh, but his close control was so excellent against LOL. Bollocks, sell him to some mugs, and get a ruthless player in. We'll always be 5th best while jokers like him are around."
Ha ha that was a joke directed at you, and quote properly.
 
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