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What is wrong with my post. Apart from the fact it "feels" wrong to you. Explain why that post is so wrong. If you can do that eloquently, you could wrap this whole thing up once and for all.
FWIW, I haven't voted because:
1. I don't find it offensive but I'm not a Jew and don't fully understand the nuances of the word.
2. A lot of people appear to find offensive.
3. I'm in two minds. I like that we use it to stand up against the bigots. But I'm also not sure that it is our fight. FA, Police Government etc.
I'm from a mixed race and religion background and as far as I'm concerned its all bollox because at the end of the day, it gets dark.
1. I don't find it offensive but I'm not a Jew and don't fully understand the nuances of the word.
2. A lot of people appear to find offensive.
3. I'm in two minds. I like that we use it to stand up against the bigots. But I'm also not sure that it is our fight. FA, Police Government etc.
I'm from a mixed race and religion background and as far as I'm concerned its all bollox because at the end of the day, it gets dark.
I'd love to agree and to an extent I do. But the proper, old school, fucking moron Chelsea cunts are the minority of their support these days. They've only got around 15 000 (that's being generous) proper proper fans. The rest are the new breed twats.
Here's a question. Why is it that in the last few days the media have only sought to quote one supporters group - ours?
If this debate is about ANTI semitism and that the issue is being forced by a CHELSEA fan's complaint about people he sits near, then where the hell are the quotes from the Chelsea supporters trust? It west ham's, or Leeds?
The yid chants at spurs may be (arguably inccorrectly) based on semitism, but they certainly aren't 'anti' anything other than racism.
The debate needs to move away from being about a word to being about racist abuse. Semiology of language is a very complex matter debated by far higher minds than The average football fan/pundit or even 'intellectuals' like baddiel. We should be talking about stopping racist abuse not whether spurs are ok to celebrate their Jewish fan base with a three letter word.
If this debate is about ANTI semitism and that the issue is being forced by a CHELSEA fan's complaint about people he sits near, then where the hell are the quotes from the Chelsea supporters trust? It west ham's, or Leeds?
The yid chants at spurs may be (arguably inccorrectly) based on semitism, but they certainly aren't 'anti' anything other than racism.
The debate needs to move away from being about a word to being about racist abuse. Semiology of language is a very complex matter debated by far higher minds than The average football fan/pundit or even 'intellectuals' like baddiel. We should be talking about stopping racist abuse not whether spurs are ok to celebrate their Jewish fan base with a three letter word.
If we're going down this road...soon as there's a hissing sound from Chelski their part of the stadium should be reported and banned for the following repeat game no?
http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/kick-it-out-launches-free-app-to-report-abuse-at-grounds
The world is pc crazy these days.
A black cat crossed my path the other day and gave me bad luck. Took the fucker to court and got awarded 3 wishes... which backfired. Now taking the Genie to court!
http://www.fsf.org.uk/latest-news/view/kick-it-out-launches-free-app-to-report-abuse-at-grounds
The world is pc crazy these days.
A black cat crossed my path the other day and gave me bad luck. Took the fucker to court and got awarded 3 wishes... which backfired. Now taking the Genie to court!
Agree: It's as if all the "other" clubs do not want to open the can of worms, for fear of what they will find (or allready know). To be honest I think that the lack of this willingness of the other clubs will mean that this will blow over (until it is brought up again next year, the following year, the year after that etc etc etc...).
To be fair to David Gold he did put his possition on the matter a couple of days ago, but like any owner terrified to piss off their fans he makes no mention of his fans part in it. http://www.sportsdirectnews.com/pre...d-unfazed-by-spurs-yid-storm.php#.Uj18JxZvhh4
So was yid originally an affectionate name Jewish people called one another? I didn't know about this, it may have been mentioned on this weeks pod but I didn't fully understand it.
The problem with that is that is a usage in Yiddish, not in English. It's use in English is racially laced.
That is what @
paddyspurs
was asking about.I know. I'm just mentioning it because lots of people have mentioned it in this thread. It just hasn't been used affectionately in English, so it's not really an argument that holds much water.Which is what @
It'll change when I remember to set my lineup, dickface.
Bwahahaha
That guy is a cunt.
From a West Ham blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/posts/2013/09/23/the-y-word-those-tottenham-songs
The use of the Y word has made the headlines in the last few weeks.
It all begun when the Football Association issued a statement warning all supporters that the use of the Y words could result in a banning order or criminal charges.
David Cameron entered the debate when he told the Jewish Chronicle there was a difference between Spurs fans “describing themselves as Y**” and the word being used as an insult. Even David Gold was quoted by Hugh Southon saying David is unfazed by use of the Y word by Spurs fans.
As we approach the Spurs away game on Saturday 5th Oct what is clear is that West Ham and the police have zero Torrance with West Ham fans using the Y word or singing any Tottenham songs which could be considered anti Semitic.
In a piece in the Sunday telegraph quoting a piece from Saturday’s West Ham v Everton programme it said “Any fan found to be acting inappropriately – including racist, anti-semitic and homophobic behaviour – will be punished to the full extent of the law and banned from attending matches. “The club, along with the Metropolitan Police, will continue to operate a zero tolerance policy towards any form of discriminatory behaviour.”
The trouble last season at Tottenham away was widely publicised with two fans receiving a police caution and another receiving a life ban. West Ham said in a statement at the time “West Ham United are in contact with Tottenham Hotspur to assist them with their investigation into the conduct of a small number of supporters and alleged inappropriate chanting during yesterday’s match at White Hart Lane”
What is less well publicised is what happened at Stoke home game last year.A group of West Ham supporters started singing the Tottenham song which starts ’We’ll be running about Tottenham with our…’ Although the game was televised on Sky this passed off without a mention as the ‘Tottenham song’ has been regularly sung at non Tottenham games over the years.
During the Chelsea home game uniformed Met police officers stormed the Sir Trevor Brooking Lower stand and arrested several fans pointed out by a plains cloths cop.
None of us understood what was going on at the time but it later transpired that a police undercover operation had videoed fans singing songs which the police and the club regard as anti Semitic. These fans were later charged, pleaded guilty at court and received 3 year banning orders.
I guess the point I am trying to make is singing a song can get you arrested, a criminal record and a banning order from the club you love and support. It’s just not worth it! I know we have all probably sung something in the past we shouldn’t but hopefully that was because we were too young to know better or they were different times. The club & police have been it clear that the defence it’s only football banter no longer holds any water with them.
Last year a Jewish West Ham supporter who is a journalist wrote this in The Guardian which I still think makes interesting reading on the subject one year later.
It can be found HERE
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/posts/2013/09/23/the-y-word-those-tottenham-songs
The use of the Y word has made the headlines in the last few weeks.
It all begun when the Football Association issued a statement warning all supporters that the use of the Y words could result in a banning order or criminal charges.
David Cameron entered the debate when he told the Jewish Chronicle there was a difference between Spurs fans “describing themselves as Y**” and the word being used as an insult. Even David Gold was quoted by Hugh Southon saying David is unfazed by use of the Y word by Spurs fans.
As we approach the Spurs away game on Saturday 5th Oct what is clear is that West Ham and the police have zero Torrance with West Ham fans using the Y word or singing any Tottenham songs which could be considered anti Semitic.
In a piece in the Sunday telegraph quoting a piece from Saturday’s West Ham v Everton programme it said “Any fan found to be acting inappropriately – including racist, anti-semitic and homophobic behaviour – will be punished to the full extent of the law and banned from attending matches. “The club, along with the Metropolitan Police, will continue to operate a zero tolerance policy towards any form of discriminatory behaviour.”
The trouble last season at Tottenham away was widely publicised with two fans receiving a police caution and another receiving a life ban. West Ham said in a statement at the time “West Ham United are in contact with Tottenham Hotspur to assist them with their investigation into the conduct of a small number of supporters and alleged inappropriate chanting during yesterday’s match at White Hart Lane”
What is less well publicised is what happened at Stoke home game last year.A group of West Ham supporters started singing the Tottenham song which starts ’We’ll be running about Tottenham with our…’ Although the game was televised on Sky this passed off without a mention as the ‘Tottenham song’ has been regularly sung at non Tottenham games over the years.
During the Chelsea home game uniformed Met police officers stormed the Sir Trevor Brooking Lower stand and arrested several fans pointed out by a plains cloths cop.
None of us understood what was going on at the time but it later transpired that a police undercover operation had videoed fans singing songs which the police and the club regard as anti Semitic. These fans were later charged, pleaded guilty at court and received 3 year banning orders.
I guess the point I am trying to make is singing a song can get you arrested, a criminal record and a banning order from the club you love and support. It’s just not worth it! I know we have all probably sung something in the past we shouldn’t but hopefully that was because we were too young to know better or they were different times. The club & police have been it clear that the defence it’s only football banter no longer holds any water with them.
Last year a Jewish West Ham supporter who is a journalist wrote this in The Guardian which I still think makes interesting reading on the subject one year later.
It can be found HERE
